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[MooseMichael]

CX-3 owner pondering Kronos, but loving the CX-3 keys/action and use drawbars a lot. I'm wondering if I'd be out of my mind trying to use the CX-3 as controller for the new organ engine in the Kronos?

Anyone ever try such a thing?

Thanks in advance,
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Mike
...in the woods of Vermont

[slowtrain]

The sliders on the Kronos can be used as one set of drawbars. I'm not familiar with the CX-3, so I don't know if it has waterfall keys like a Hammond, but the Kronos is a pretty useful organ itself. Unless you can do ghetto smears or have two manuals and sets of drawbars on your CX-3, I'd just use the Kronos. It also has a lot of parameters for the Leslie, amp noise, key click level, and someone recently posted some settings for getting better Leslie sim sounds. It should be on this page or the next one. The X 61 has synth action too, which is pretty similar to my M3 action. Sorry I couldn't help with the MIDI question. I'm sure someone else can.
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Jim
Kronos 2 73, Hammond M3 chopper, Cubase 8.5 Pro

[Scott]

The CX3 has a much better action for organ than the Kronos does, including the ability to select a high trigger point, so I see the appeal of wanting to do this, especially if you already own the CX3. It would be great if the two sets of drawbars would work too, not just because the spacing, colors, shape and feel are right, but they might leave the Kronos sliders available for other functions. But I don't know whether the CX3 drawbars (which do send MIDI CC) can be used to control the drawbar functions of the CX3 engine in the Kronos.

[LZ]

No, the Kronos uses sysex for drawbars and the cx3 uses CC's.
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[MooseMichael]

Thanks all for the quick responses.

Indeed I'm in love with the CX-3 keys and action, and I play about 50% organ in our current band.

I guess I'll have to study further to see if I could be happy just real-time selecting different Kronos/CX3 programs, how I might do that, and how much it would tie up the Kronos if I also wanted to be using it native simultaneously.

The journey begins!

Thanks again,
Mike
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Mike
...in the woods of Vermont

[Scott]

[jerrythek]

Problem is, the high trigger point only works the for the internal CX3 engine. When sending MIDI it use the full-range sensing, like any other keyboard. So controlling the Kronos won't "feel" as good as playing the hardware CX3.

Sorry to be the killjoy.

Jerry

[Scott]

Bummer that the CX3 can't send the high trigger MIDI NOTE ON event. One of my disappointments is that the Kronos doesn't support a high trigger for the CX3 engine, which surprised me. As I understand it, the high trigger does not require any additional hardware manufacturing cost, it's simply a software implementation. I can understand it might be complicated in a Combi, to process a high-trigger (no velocity information) organ sound with a low-trigger (measured velocity) sound at the same time, but at least when playing a CX3 organ sound alone (i.e. in Program mode), I would have thought that a CX3 emulation would permit the high trigger.

[Cpilot]

If you're handy with electronics and want to use the CX-3 drawbars for the Kronos you could use a little translator box. I made one for the B4D and Axiom61. I can send you the code for the microprocessor and a schematic. It's set up for the controllers I mentioned but it would be easy to change it for the CX-3 CCs.

[MooseMichael]

Cpilot - thanks for the offer. I have a few friends who could make sure I don't hurt myself, so please send along and I'll take a look. Seems the CC>SysEx part of the challenge has some solutions. Now I've got to take a look at this high trigger thing and see what an impact on playability and technique it presents.
Thanks in advance,
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Mike
...in the woods of Vermont

[Cpilot]

OK. Send me a PM with your email and I'll fire it off to you.

[Davd C. Polich]

I have been the owner of two CX-3's - the original one introduced back
in the early 80's and the "new" one introduced at the beginning of
the 00's.

My current live gigging setup is a Kronos X61 and an M361, and using
my special CX-3 programming trick (a "second Leslie" in the form of effect 075 placed on an insert effect slot), I've got what I consider to be a great gigging rig.

But at venues where I have enough room and time to set up
a third keyboard, I bring my 2005 CX-3 and run it into a Neo Instruments Mini Vent rotary pedal. This is a great combination IMO, and will restore your faith in the CX-3, which excelled at everything organ-wise except for the rather poor Leslie effect. Simply set the CX-3 programs to "PreAmp" and the internal rotary effect disabled.

[slowtrain]

Everyone on the Organ Forum in the Hammond section seems to think the Neo Vents are the best Leslie sims on the market. They just came out with a new full-size Neo Vent that sounds great on the youtube demos I've seen. I think it has more parameters than the old one or the mini. I'd love to get one. It's on my short list because I don't have a Leslie for my M3 chop.
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Jim
Kronos 2 73, Hammond M3 chopper, Cubase 8.5 Pro

[Davd C. Polich]

[LZ]

Originally folks were buying the vent to improve the sound, then the Burn came out and offered MiDI control as well as a bunch of other effects. When the latest OS added an improved Leslie, a lot of guys started leaving the vent at home and tweaking the Kronos Leslie.
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