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L551
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| C'mon. That thing is a computer, it has enough memory for upgrades and added functionality. That kind of stuff takes only kilobytes, no big deal. Shift 1-4 would be just fine for the UI for extra bars. It also wouldn't add any CPU load. |
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DrHoo
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| Buska wrote: | Judging by the gap issue (from what people think is a cpu issue) the likelihood of the CPU doing 8bars is low.
But the original mini kaossilator had a hidden boot mode that doubled the pattern length.. It would be awesome if korg would update the tribe with a similar mode for those who really want to use it.
I find it blatant that the presets are half time, mista Bishi having to use delays to create drum fills because the quantize resolution was too large at half tempi to program them manually  give us 128 and 64 resolution quantize too!!
How are we going to make trippy offbeat drums if there is only 32 step quantize and no manual step shift parameter?
Truely baffling design decisions from korg here |
There is normal step edit mode.
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Buska
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| Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2014 6:51 am Post subject: |
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| DrHoo wrote: | | Buska wrote: | Judging by the gap issue (from what people think is a cpu issue) the likelihood of the CPU doing 8bars is low.
But the original mini kaossilator had a hidden boot mode that doubled the pattern length.. It would be awesome if korg would update the tribe with a similar mode for those who really want to use it.
I find it blatant that the presets are half time, mista Bishi having to use delays to create drum fills because the quantize resolution was too large at half tempi to program them manually give us 128 and 64 resolution quantize too!!
How are we going to make trippy offbeat drums if there is only 32 step quantize and no manual step shift parameter?
Truely baffling design decisions from korg here |
There is normal step edit mode. |
so you can adjust an individual step by a certain amount of ticks? i remember someone saying it wasnt possible, but id be happy to be told otherwise. Also how do they let you do this if the max quantise is 32? that would imply a higher resolution sequencer in the background, and if that is the case.. why cant we use that when recording in the first place ?!
note: step shift is not the same thing as step sequencer
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innervisions
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| Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2014 8:53 pm Post subject: Feature Ideas Electribe 2 |
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I just wanted to post an idea for a feature, and repeat a great feature idea that I read (in the hope that someone from Korg is following this thread):
Now that the new Electribes have velocity, wouldn't it be nice to be able to motion-sequence the velocity, i.e. change the velocity of all notes in the part (pattern) by turning a knob, after you have made the original recording?
And I would like to repeat an idea that someone else posted, which I think is worth more attention:
To solve the 4 bar limitation in a very elegant way, make the step length adjustable per part (instead of having fixed 1/16). This would allow to have parts that play for longer (even much longer) than 4 bars, but with increased granularity (1/8 or 1/4 or more). Very practical for longer chord sequences. At the same time, it would also allow to have parts with finer rhythmic resolution, e.g. 1/32 or 1/64. Might be useful for drum sounds. |
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roblabs
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| Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 1:35 am Post subject: |
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Each part already has an adjustable length. you just can't program it longer than 64 steps.
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innervisions
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| Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 12:56 pm Post subject: |
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| roblabs wrote: | | Each part already has an adjustable length. you just can't program it longer than 64 steps. |
I know that. That is not what I meant. |
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phillwilson
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| Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 4:55 pm Post subject: Re: Feature Ideas Electribe 2 |
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| innervisions wrote: | | make the step length adjustable per part (instead of having fixed 1/16). This would allow to have parts that play for longer (even much longer) than 4 bars, but with increased granularity (1/8 or 1/4 or more). |
THIS is exactly how the sequencer can work in the MIDIBox sequencer (it is a home brew kit I built)... their project is a gold mine for Korg or anyone looking for the very best in creative , live sequencing. http://www.ucapps.de/
I would also love to see "probability" implemented in the Electribe, basically you would shift select some steps and then roll down from 100% probability of that/those steps playing every time , to having them only playing once in a while...great for automated variations. |
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roblabs
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| Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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probability....if you're into that check out Stochastik, its a drum app with precisely that. I could see that being a cool feature on the tribes.
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sauce
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| Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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| While we are at it, a Waldorf-esque "random" button for all synth perimeters and even note data would be sweet. |
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Wavestrike
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The ability to turn off quantization for wonky beats would be great.
The ability to filter MIDI to only note on off data and no other data. |
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cntrlchng
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| Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2015 1:57 am Post subject: |
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| DrHoo wrote: | | i'd rather see a 64th note option... |
^^This is what needs to be done to make everyone happy in regards to pattern length.
Halving the tempo to conceptually create more bars is very practical.
A rose by another name, imo.
However, the lack of higher resolution at low tempos is a huge
hinderance, especially considering that we are all trying to put more
events into a single pattern as a work-around for the IFX issue.
Truly, the IFX issue is the one issue that absolutely needs to be
fixed. I don't think this can be stressed enough.
If the IFX issue gets resolved, I see no reason why you can't just split
your 8-bar pattern across two 4-bar patterns.
Interestingly, this provides another opportunity to fantasize about features:
A subordinate mode for `Pattern Set` mode, called `Pattern Sequence`
mode, where you can define a play sequence out of the 16 patterns which
have been assigned to the pads in `Pattern Set`. With this, you could
specify the sequence in which patterns play, where they loop, and for how
long.
This could be done many ways. For instance, pressing the `Pattern Set`
button could toggle between `Pattern Set` and `Pattern Sequence` modes
(solid/blinking led), and shift + `Pattern Set` could bring you to the
`Pattern Sequence` menus on the main display
With such a feature, splitting a 16-bar pattern apart into four 4-bar
patterns wouldn't be such an annoyance, as you could simply sequence
those 4 patterns in a loop. This is conceptually different than event record,
as event record just plays saved events one time, and in sequential order. |
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Spheric El
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| Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2015 2:35 am Post subject: |
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^I think that's Song mode ,what people wanted from old EMX.
Innervisions idea sounded good with the slower time scales ( or faster) -per part.And Philwilsons probability suggestion would be great.
That would make a really good sequencer.. |
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Re-Member
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| Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2015 2:40 am Post subject: |
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| cntrlchng wrote: | | DrHoo wrote: | | i'd rather see a 64th note option... |
^^This is what needs to be done to make everyone happy in regards to pattern length.
Halving the tempo to conceptually create more bars is very practical.
A rose by another name, imo.
However, the lack of higher resolution at low tempos is a huge
hinderance, especially considering that we are all trying to put more
events into a single pattern as a work-around for the IFX issue.
Truly, the IFX issue is the one issue that absolutely needs to be
fixed. I don't think this can be stressed enough.
If the IFX issue gets resolved, I see no reason why you can't just split
your 8-bar pattern across two 4-bar patterns.
Interestingly, this provides another opportunity to fantasize about features:
A subordinate mode for `Pattern Set` mode, called `Pattern Sequence`
mode, where you can define a play sequence out of the 16 patterns which
have been assigned to the pads in `Pattern Set`. With this, you could
specify the sequence in which patterns play, where they loop, and for how
long.
This could be done many ways. For instance, pressing the `Pattern Set`
button could toggle between `Pattern Set` and `Pattern Sequence` modes
(solid/blinking led), and shift + `Pattern Set` could bring you to the
`Pattern Sequence` menus on the main display
With such a feature, splitting a 16-bar pattern apart into four 4-bar
patterns wouldn't be such an annoyance, as you could simply sequence
those 4 patterns in a loop. This is conceptually different than event record,
as event record just plays saved events one time, and in sequential order. |
These ideas are great.
One way I can see them possibly being able to fix the IFX from being cut is doing something similar to how the "Part Priority" works. There could be an option called "IFX Priority" that could allow you disable one part's IFX in favor of using the extra memory for another not being cut out when the pattern changes. The machine could use the disabled IFX sort of like a buffer between patterns as long as the two patterns share this option.
A Pattern Sequence mode would be great as well, but one problem I see happening is that in order for this work properly, the machine would need to automatically overwrite and update each pattern every time it changes. If it didn't do that, then you'd constantly lose your settings each time the pattern changed. Not sure if there's really enough processing power to pull this off. I recall one user already saying that when you overwrite a pattern in real time as it's playing, there's often a slight glitch with the timing of the machine.
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Tom 62
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| Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2015 12:48 pm Post subject: |
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| cntrlchng wrote: | | If the IFX issue gets resolved, I see no reason why you can't just split your 8-bar pattern across two 4-bar patterns. |
You're wrong. It's not a technical issue, it's a musical issue. From the musical point of view a 8 bar pattern is more than 2 x 4 bar patterns. It's a question of the musical flow when composing melodies, bass lines and chord progressions. Inside 4 bars a lot of musical ideas have simply no room to evolve. |
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phillwilson
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| Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2015 5:04 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="cntrlchng I see no reason why you can't just split
your 8-bar pattern across two 4-bar patterns.
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this wouldn't work for any of us who actually play (ie input) our patterns in realtime on stage...in a kind of live looping manner....for us we only use one pattern per tune building and removing bits as we go.
we NEED a way to layer longer chord or bass parts under shorter riffs and drum patterns.
I would happily live with the lower resolution between steps if it gave me the ability to run longer chord sequences along with 4 bar riffs and drums. |
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