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AndreasF
Joined: 05 Dec 2014 Posts: 10
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Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2014 8:23 pm Post subject: Totally Underwhelmed! |
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Is it me or does the sympathetic resonance piano engine sound more annoying than nice? To me it just sounds like wind chimes in the distance and doesn't sound musical or even anything like a real piano, at least on the older Kronos pianos. It seems like a cheap marketing ploy to upgrade without really doing too much. The touch-drag functionality should have been there from the start (the technology always was), and as such tends to make the parameters jump wildly if you drag wrong. The setlist upgrade is nice, but easy window dressing to add to the OS.
What I would have loved to see was new filters like in the KingKorg, or another synth model perhaps.
I'm underwhelmed. |
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ed_f Approved Merchant
Joined: 03 Dec 2011 Posts: 1063 Location: Boulder, CO
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jimknopf Platinum Member
Joined: 17 Jan 2011 Posts: 3374
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Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2014 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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AndreasF, I can't follow you at all here.
I definitely like the string resonance a lot, with most of the pianos. _________________ Kronos 73 - Moog Voyager RME - Moog LP TE - Behringer Model D - Prophet 6 - Roland Jupiter Xm - Rhodes Stage 73 Mk I - Elektron Analog Rytm MkII - Roland TR-6s - Cubase 12 Pro + Groove Agent 5 |
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BobTheDog Platinum Member
Joined: 21 May 2007 Posts: 1535
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Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2014 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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ed_f wrote: | And what a marketing ploy! They got my $0. Fooled again. |
Yep that's the last time I install a free update, totally disgusted here. |
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AndreasF
Joined: 05 Dec 2014 Posts: 10
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Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2014 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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Play short chord hits and that half second chiming sound that trails off really is bad. It gives me a complete headache. |
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keego Senior Member
Joined: 16 Mar 2006 Posts: 329 Location: Liverpool UK
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Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2014 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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For me the Vintage effects added to use outside of EP1 is the best bit of what I think is a fantastic upgrade. _________________ Current Arsenal:
Kronos 61, Kurzweil PC3K6, Nord Stage 3, Yamaha MOXF8, Muse Receptor 2+, Mainstage
Previous:
Korg:X5D,Wavestation, N364, Trinity,Triton Classic,Triton Studio, Korg M3 61 w/ EXB-Radias
Ensoniq:TS12, SD1, ASR10
Roland:XP10, JD-800, Roland XV88, A90ex
Kurzweil:K2500RS, K2661, PC3
Nord: Electro 3 |
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genehart Full Member
Joined: 30 Dec 2012 Posts: 208
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Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2014 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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AndreasF wrote: | Play short chord hits and that half second chiming sound that trails off really is bad. It gives me a complete headache. |
turn it off then ) _________________ KronosX 88, RME HDSP 9652, Sennheiser HD600, Cubase AI6 |
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AndreasF
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Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2014 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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Turn it off? Well then why the hell are they bragging about this being a huge feature? I was so excited about the update, I invited a large group of fellow musicians to hear it, and to the one they said something along the lines of "Ewwww". It truly gives me a headache. I really expected so much more of Korg for version 3. |
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AnyMeans
Joined: 07 Sep 2012 Posts: 30 Location: Dallas
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Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2014 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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AndreasF wrote: | Play short chord hits and that half second chiming sound that trails off really is bad. It gives me a complete headache. |
What setting are you using for the SR parameter? I really like the pianos with SR parameter set to 19 or 20. It is definitely subtle to my ears. _________________ _________________
Kronos X 88, M1R, Kurzweil K2600XS, K2000RS, Yamaha DX7IIFD, KX88, Roland MKS20, R8
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Francois Approved Merchant
Joined: 06 May 2003 Posts: 4854 Location: Northants - UK
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Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2014 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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AndreasF, nobody is forcing to use sympathetic resonance. You can remove it if that's what you wish. And as much as it is an important part of teh update, it's by no means the only one.
keego wrote: | For me the Vintage effects added... |
That's also my favourite bit of OS 3.0.2. Until I can try Berlin D that is. _________________
Kronoscopie, tout sur le Kronos en français
http://www.kronoscopie.fr |
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AndreasF
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Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2014 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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If I set it low enough for it not to have an annoying ring, then I don't even hear much of a difference between that and when it is off. I was so excited by the update I invited a large group of fellow musicians over, and their sentiments were exactly the same. It's quite annoying and unnatural sounding. It really gave me a headache.
There's still great achievements that can be made in DSP programming, it's such a shame Korg is wasting their talents on cheap gimmicks just to extend the Kronos line a little longer, presumably while they buy time to develop the real advances for the next generation workstation.
Again, couldn't they have included some of those new KingKorg filters? It wouldn't have cannibalized the KingKorg, which is such a great performance machine. |
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ed_f Approved Merchant
Joined: 03 Dec 2011 Posts: 1063 Location: Boulder, CO
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Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2014 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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I had an interesting discussion with a Kronos sound developer. He asked if I thought he should include sounds that are outside the natural range or controls that went past natural control.
My position is that it should be included, part of digital music that can be amazing is the ability to create things that are impossible in the real world.
While he agreed on that level, he said the problem is in the hands of some he gets comments like "That doesn't sound right" or "When I set it to 100% is sounds terrible"
Well yes the scratch of a violin bow set WAY too high (while possibly useful in the right context), may sound bad to the person used to just pushing the violin preset and moving on. But, depending on the use - in a mix sometimes you actually need to push those beyond what could be easily recorded in the studio.
I am sure if you push things like string resonance, damper resonance, damper noise, etc. WAY up.. it sounds pretty bad. But, if you take the time to dial them all in for the needs of the project the amount of realism is really amazing.
What I am happy to see is that instrument makers (thank you Korg) have learned that many of the elements that make a sound great are beyond the "fundamental". Early piano sounds were often sterile and lifeless. Now the ability to add in other factors in subtle ways expands our sonic pallet in powerful in many directions. _________________ My mostly Kronos videos:
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCOeCfUbowBoVIw-tWn0nMcQ |
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BobTheDog Platinum Member
Joined: 21 May 2007 Posts: 1535
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Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2014 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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AndreasF wrote: | Turn it off? Well then why the hell are they bragging about this being a huge feature? I was so excited about the update, I invited a large group of fellow musicians to hear it, and to the one they said something along the lines of "Ewwww". It truly gives me a headache. I really expected so much more of Korg for version 3. |
Maybe you should have had a little listen first, it's never good to make a fool of yourself. |
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genehart Full Member
Joined: 30 Dec 2012 Posts: 208
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Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2014 9:42 pm Post subject: |
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Update gives everything that was promised, they didn't announce to satisfy every expectation. Also , that satisfaction depends on what kind of music you perform ) Is there a lot of staccato based phrases in your piano parts ?
Do you tweak kronos presets trying to get what you need ? _________________ KronosX 88, RME HDSP 9652, Sennheiser HD600, Cubase AI6 |
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jimknopf Platinum Member
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Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2014 9:42 pm Post subject: |
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Andreas, you invited "a large group of fellow musicians" to do what? Test an OS update for the quality of it`s SR?
For my ears it`s not hard to balance the piano settings in a way which includes the new resonance in a very useful and welcome way.
The whole update with essential usability upgrades (load sample data is very important for memory management, etc.) is huge from my view, and I regard your "buying time" and "gimmick" talk as completely off track, frankly! _________________ Kronos 73 - Moog Voyager RME - Moog LP TE - Behringer Model D - Prophet 6 - Roland Jupiter Xm - Rhodes Stage 73 Mk I - Elektron Analog Rytm MkII - Roland TR-6s - Cubase 12 Pro + Groove Agent 5 |
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