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PostPosted: Sun Jan 18, 2015 4:18 am    Post subject: Odd request: Can I make a sound for you; Kronos Reply with quote

Okay.

I've been proprogramming sounds on synths (kurzweil, some analogs) for over 15 years now. I've had various Korgs over the years, but except a couple of uncomplicated sounds I've barely scratched the surface on the Korg Trinity, Triton, Triton LE... And now the Kronos.

What I'm asking is for help in the form of me making sounds for you.

I enjoy challenges and have some programming experience, but now it's applying that knowledge to the Kronos...

Anyway I'm an avid learner and self directed but I don't want any potential work I do be just for practice. (I would hope someone can make use of it somehow instead of just busy work)

Also it would be awesome if those of you that I make sounds for might help... There are multiple ways to make sounds so I would really like suggestions on how I could be more efficient once I have some sounds made.

I'll be posting some sounds soonish... I've been working on Derek Sherinian's lead sound, as well as 'Hungry like the wolf' patches so constructive feedback would be incredibly welcome.

Thoughts/challenges?


**edit**

Adding sound list/requests.

Hans Lead: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/49099211/EnigmaLeads.PCG

Snarling Pig: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/49099211/ENIGMADIRTYPIG.PCG

Linkin Park Numb opening sound:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/49099211/EnigmaNUMBOPEN.PCG

Jordan Rudess Kronos Lead: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/49099211/JRLEADEnigmaFINAL.PCG

Kawai K3 Organ:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/49099211/el_tiro_organ.PCG

"Whip it" chorus synth: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/49099211/WhipItChorus.PCG

Hungry Like the Wolf performance https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/49099211/HungryWolf.PCG

Herbie Wah Lead: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/49099211/HerbieLead.PCG

Scott Kinsey Solo: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/49099211/KinseyEPLead.PCG

Coldplay's "A Sky Full of Stars":
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/49099211/SkyfullStars.PCG

Foreigner Synth Sounds:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/49099211/Foreigner/FOREIGNER_STUFF.PCG

Baker St. Horns Arpeggio:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/49099211/BAKERSTHORNS.PCG

(Note: I don't fully understand KARMA just yet, so I'm still working on this. I have the sound, but not the correct arpeggio yet. Currently a WIP)

Nightwish Tuomas Strings:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/49099211/TUOMAStrings.PCG

Bon Jovi - Runaway opening sound:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/49099211/RUNAWAY%20OPEN.PCG

The Motels - Only the Lonely:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/49099211/LonelyIntro.PCG

Head east: Never Been Any Reason solo sound:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/49099211/NeverReasonLEAD.PCG

Foreigner : That was yesterday
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/49099211/YESTERDAYOPEN.PCG

Howard Jones : What is love
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/49099211/HJ-LOVE.PCG

Simple Minds : Don't you
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/49099211/DONTYOUBRASS.PCG

Pink Floyd: Shine On You Crazy Diamond opening:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/49099211/PFDIAMOND.PCG

Pink Floyd: Keep Talking reverse sine retriggering
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/49099211/KEEPTALKPF-TUTOR.PCG

More Human Than Human from White Zombie (Intro Sound)
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/49099211/MHTH-Intro.PCG
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/49099211/MHTH-Intro.SNG
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/49099211/MHTH-Midi.mid

(Everything is here needed to play the intro, I just didn't bother turning it into a karma controlled thing)

Infected Mushroom Becoming Insane Rezosound (2:25-2:55)
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/49099211/INFMUSHROOM.PCG

ELP's Fanfare for the Common Man (Intro Sound and Lead sound)
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/49099211/ELP-FANFARE-HORNLEAD.PCG

ELP's Hoedown (Intro Sound)
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/49099211/ELP-HOWDOWNOPEN.PCG

Yes Run Through The Light Opening reverse analog strings
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/49099211/YES-REV-STRING-TUTOR.PCG

We Close Our Eyes by Go West (Main Chorus sound)
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/49099211/GO%20WEST%20CLOSE%20EYES%20HORNS.PCG

Black Eyed Peas , I got a feeling intro sound:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/49099211/BEP%20-%20GottaFeelingDemo.PCG

Mama by Genesis (Synclavier II patch, and ep/clav synth sound)
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/49099211/GENESIS-MAMA-OPEN.PCG

Let's Go Crazy from Prince's Purple Rain (Beginning, organish sound)
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/49099211/CRAZYPRINCEORGAN.PCG

Alan Parsons project - Pipeline
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/49099211/TAPP-PIPELINE.PCG

Enigma - Sadeness Intro vocal pad sound
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/49099211/SADENESS.PCG

Genesis - No son of mine (Clock, Guitar sample, Pad, Lead)
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/q4gay4yxzuvka2s/AAA3BN796jeb79CSI4Oy2MAja?dl=0

Jordan Rudess Hendrix Wiz lead:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/49099211/Morphwiz%20Lead%20JR.PCG

Rio - Duran Duran (Step sequenced part)
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/49099211/RIO-ARPS.PCG

The Who - Eminence Front (Step sequenced part)
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/49099211/EMINENCE%20FRONT.PCG

Cory Henry Workshop (Jupiter sound)
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/49099211/CH-BELL-SOLO.PCG

ELP Fanfare body sound (GX1)
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/49099211/ELP-FANFARE-BODY.PCG

Dogs - Pink Floyd (Solina Strings + Lead sound)
https://youtu.be/9lgOo8yEIPs?t=10m2s

Kids-MGMT (Lead sound)
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/49099211/MGMT-Kids-lead.PCG

1980's pop stack piano sound used on numbers like "If you don't know me by now" and Chicago "Hard to Say I'm Sorry"
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/49099211/STACKSVARIOUS.PCG

Cars "Moving in Stereo" Tutorial
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/49099211/CARS-MOVINGSTEREO.PCG

Video in a separate thread here:
http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=96895

Tubes, "She's a beauty":
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/49099211/TUBESBEAUTY.PCG

Subdivisions lead Moog:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/49099211/SUBDIV-LEAD.PCG

Words get in the way, Miami sound machine: EP Sound
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/49099211/WORDSGLORIA.PCG

Love is alive - Gary Wright
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/49099211/GARY-LURVE.PCG

Main Arp lead sound, descending filter sweep - Frankenstein

Super Mario World - Castle Theme

Synth bass patch (Madness by Muse, Video Tutorial)

Fanfare ELP Main synth (Brass patch)

Organ and synth sound: Abacab (Genesis)

Rebel Yell (Billy Idol, Bell Synth at beginning, and Bridge section synth)

Salt-n-Pepper Push it (Bass and Lead sound)

This Mortal Coil "Waves Become Wings" intro sound

Steve Wilson - Home Invasion/ Regret #9 Lead (6:42)

U2 - Streets have no name opening pad

Queen - Too Much Love Will Kill You piano sound

Blinded by the Light 1:12 in (Glide sound)

Riding the Storm Out (REO Speedwagon, with portamento speed control)

Moody Blues - Wildest dreams Synth sounds, first 33 seconds

335 Guitar on "Blue Guitar" (Justin Hayward, moody blues - Blue Guitar)

Richard Andersson lead: JD800

Yuhki Lead from Galneryus

Uptown Funk performance combi:
https://db.tt/UV8026vY

Onestring instrument: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=530L63hBuBM (0:42)

Universe patch from M1 (It's on the Krome, get it from there?)

Chicago Hard to say I'm sorry (Piano patch)

Jukebox Hero: Foreigner

Yamaha Reface DX: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1DvXBOkO5M&feature=youtu.be&t=477

Steve Wilson - Home Invasion/ Regret #9 Lead (6:42)

Hoedown - ELP (3:07 and 3:14)

Adventure of a Lifetime - Coldplay

Minimoog Flute sound: Gimmi Gimmi, ABBA


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 18, 2015 1:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Would you be able to make a sound like this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BwtNog7GM8
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 18, 2015 2:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

laandodeman wrote:
Would you be able to make a sound like this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BwtNog7GM8


Love that lead sound... Sure.
What do you what the controller assignments to be?

At first glance it sounds like there's some vibrato, resonance filter (wah) and feedback though the feedback seems to be a function of the filter sweeping itself but I guess it could be set either way.

Finally I personally would prefer SW2 to bounce between monophonic and polyphonic but I noticed his sound doesn't seem to have a monophonic version from these example videos.

I'll see what I can do.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 18, 2015 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can you make these two sounds that are part of a combi?

http://www.livestream.com/korgusa/video?clipId=pla_d4c9d70c-001f-4e1e-8b7c-ddd66f4a7cab

Skip to 30:00 and he plays both of the programs seperately. A little before that he plays both together.

Thanks.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 18, 2015 5:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

enigmahack wrote:
laandodeman wrote:
Would you be able to make a sound like this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BwtNog7GM8



What do you what the controller assignments to be?




Thanks Enigmahack! I contacted the man himself (Hans Lundin) but he doesn't react. An although I can program a bit, I couldn't figure out how he did it.

Would be great if the wah-sound could be triggered by the swell pedal, but using the y-axis of the joy-stick is a possiblity as well.

I also love the octaver effect. Is it possible to do that with aftertouch?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 18, 2015 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

laandodeman wrote:
Would you be able to make a sound like this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BwtNog7GM8



Okay, here you go.

There's still something not quite spot on with the tone, but I blame my inability to hear the recording clearly (Youtube video and all)

It's pretty close, not 100% exactly the same but close enough that I think it's passable.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/5dw45qnhzpy9nky/HansCloneEnigma.mp3?dl=0

This is the MP3 demo of me playing ala Hans.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/08qefwskdeybp0d/EnigmaLeads.PCG?dl=0

This is the PCG.

Saved into U-G, there are 4 programs and 1 combi. There's the Trinity monster lead sound, my own variation that includes aftertouch, the feedback layer and u-g003 I think is the HansLead sound.

If you go into Combi mode, I have the "Derek Sherinian" version of the monster lead sound in there too. Feel free to have at it.

Let me know how this works for you though, it seems pretty good to me generally though for a quick 30-minute attempt maybe it could have been better.


Oh and the controller assignments:

X+ on the vector joystick is the octave feedback you were asking about. The sound is naturally pretty harmonic so it'll do it on it's own too sometimes (more organic feeling)

The Y- on the lower (bigger) joystick controls the wah, Y+ is vibrato.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 18, 2015 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kronosuser3407 wrote:
Can you make these two sounds that are part of a combi?

http://www.livestream.com/korgusa/video?clipId=pla_d4c9d70c-001f-4e1e-8b7c-ddd66f4a7cab

Skip to 30:00 and he plays both of the programs seperately. A little before that he plays both together.

Thanks.



Ahhh Jordan Rudess. He's actually how I started my programming many years ago. I've been his forum administrator for over 10 years, and have followed Dream Theater around the days that LTE came out.

Anyway, needless to say, I'd happily accept any challenges to re-create Jordan's sounds since... I'll probably end up doing it anyway down the road.

Let me listen to the sound you're talking about and I'll see what I can do.


**edit**

Okay, I've listened. It's the snarling f*ck*ng pig sound. (That's the "real" name of it, but they typically just call it the snarling pig)

Anyway, which variation did you want? The dark eternal night percussive version or just the regular version?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 18, 2015 5:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, if you mean by the percussive version of it is the one where he has the "knock" sound as he described as one of the layers then no, I am referring to the normal snarling pig. I'll give you the exact time so you know what I'm talking about. Skip to 30:02 and that is the one.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 18, 2015 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

enigmahack wrote:
laandodeman wrote:
Would you be able to make a sound like this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BwtNog7GM8



Okay, here you go.


WOW: you are the man! Thanks Enigma!

I am going to try it out immediately. First impression: Sound even more aggressive than Hans' original.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 18, 2015 6:35 pm    Post subject: Numb Linkin Park Reply with quote

can you make the intro lead to Numb Linkin Park ?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 18, 2015 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would suggest instead of going for a certain sound from a song try tackling the multi filter and see if you can come up with a good oberheim sound or any of the other famous filter setups. Everyone always talks about wanting the filters from the King korg in the Kronos maybe you can figure it out. I am getting passable at moog but no even close to the others.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 18, 2015 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Distroted guitar sounds would b really cool
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 18, 2015 10:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bertotti wrote:
I would suggest instead of going for a certain sound from a song try tackling the multi filter and see if you can come up with a good oberheim sound or any of the other famous filter setups. Everyone always talks about wanting the filters from the King korg in the Kronos maybe you can figure it out. I am getting passable at moog but no even close to the others.


Thanks for the suggestion. I'll have to take a look and see what I can come up with... I haven't messed with the multi-filter very much if at all (or if I have, it hasn't been intentional) to see if I can generate some Oberheim sounds.

Harpernet wrote:
Distroted guitar sounds would b really cool


Interesting. I might consider this too however there are a bunch in there already. Is there something more specific you had in mind?


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kronosuser3407 wrote:
Well, if you mean by the percussive version of it is the one where he has the "knock" sound as he described as one of the layers then no, I am referring to the normal snarling pig. I'll give you the exact time so you know what I'm talking about. Skip to 30:02 and that is the one.


Okay, how's this:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/tblcx04vco7y1vu/Piggy.mp3?dl=0

This is the MP3 (Above)

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ia5q7957atpcjqh/ENIGMADIRTYPIG.PCG?dl=0

This is the PCG. Loads into GG user bank for Programs, G bank for Combi.

Let me know how that works.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 19, 2015 12:22 am    Post subject: Re: Numb Linkin Park Reply with quote

lunaluna wrote:
can you make the intro lead to Numb Linkin Park ?


I gave it a real quick shot, I'd mess with OSC A though if you want to change the flavor. I think it'll work when you mix it in with strings and the rest of the band though.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/e6gcugdav9zwsz8/EnigmaNumbOpen.mp3?dl=0

The MP3 demo.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/crkn07oix07mirs/EnigmaNUMBOPEN.PCG?dl=0

The PCG for Kronos.

Let me know what you think though.
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