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what do you think?

are the e2 and es2 the same machine, and korg will make that announcement? or will the es2 will be real but might incorporate some special integration with the e2? Amazing firmware updates in the future? Or is this all just wishful thinking?
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SMK · Platinum Member Joined: 26 Nov 2006 Posts: 1197

Wishful thinking.
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I don't think the electribe sampler is a bluff. Too many merchants have separate listings, there are already a few in the wild. And I don't think the functions will roll up into a super-electribe, with full synth and sample.

But I think we'll see some needed fixes and neat tricks added to the e2, and the swappable OS rumor could be for real.

The EMX/ESX were such a long-running line. I hope Korg thought ahead and looked at these as a 10-year expandable platform - something that will be fresh and relevant when the next big electronic genre comes around.
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thesigma · Senior Member Joined: 17 Nov 2011 Posts: 409

Next 10 years, oh please I hope not.....

Support it yes because that's the right thing to do, but please come out with something better sooner. It was only 4 years between the ea1/er1 and the x series. Not sure why it took 12 years to come up with a successor, which while a Great Leap Forward in sound quality, is a step backwards, or at least sideways, in features. But hey, that's just my opinion. I hope the sampler is more of a leap forward than the synth.

roblabs · Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 4:02 pm Post subject:

Well the reason why I started this thread is to start a discussion on what, if any, Korg might have in store for the sampler. Personally, I'm on the fence on this one, but I do think they might be planning something. Don't you find it bizarre that, considering the sampler is supposedly slated for a mid March or April launch that there are NO videos or promos of it? The e2 at least had somewhat of a buzz, albeit small though it was. And then take into consideration the other thread: http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=96143

-where SMK and some others tried to glean some info from the poster but he was unable to answer any questions - seriously?? Even James Pullen was able to give some info on the sampler. Really, what would be the need to keep this so hush hush if its due out in a few weeks?

So I think there has to be a reason that Korg is approaching this release this way. That, or its just really, really bad marketing.
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roblabs · Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 7:34 pm Post subject:

Interesting thought, SMK, thanks for posting that. This is the discussion I'm after here; why is Korg remaining to choose to be so silent on this.

I think overall the ratio of satisfied to unsatisfied customers might be 50/50 actually, but if you're comparing it to the X series, then yeah, your figures might be pretty accurate.

One thing to consider is that when someone writes a really harsh review, it seems to really stand out. Might be because we haven't really read any gushing reviews. Even the positive ones include a number of disagreements with some of the design and functionality choices made.

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Then another thing is how slowly Korg is trickling these units out. Its almost as if they are carefully and methodically choosing how many come out at a time, as well as where- perhaps to create a demand through controlled short supply?
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Frenzies · Senior Member Joined: 10 Feb 2015 Posts: 464

I get the feeling Korg are unhappy with the e2 and are maybe not much happier with the es2.
They tried a bit to create a buzz around the e2, with James Pullen on Sonic State and a few little You Tube vids from producers, but when it was launched, with no fanfare at all, just a tweet saying it was out, there were no reviews at all from the usual sources. Where is the Sonic State review? The Sound on Sound review? Did they not send out units for review? It would appear not, and that kind of thing only usually means one thing. They expected the machine to get slammed in any review, so they get it out there and hope there's enough early adopters before the swell of negative opinions hits sales.
So now there's apparent radio silence about the sampler. If it's only a few weeks away why aren't we seeing more of it? Why arent Korg shouting about the specs from the rooftops? Are they stung by the initial response to the e2? Are they just too busy trying to fix the problems?
Sorry, that was a bit rambling and incoherent.
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Tarekith · Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 7:59 pm Post subject:

I'm not sure they're trickling them out though, we're seeing serial numbers over 4000 just on this forum alone. That's a LOT of units for a smaller market like electronic music making IMO.

I don't really think the sampler version is getting that much difference of a release in terms of press either, at least not drastically. Really, the only info we had on the electribe before launch were various pre and post-NAMM interviews with more or less one artist, Mistabishi. Korg has always been pretty tight lipped with info before their gear drops, as opposed to say NI who love to put out lots of videos ahead of time. It's frustrating when you're excited about something, but par for the course for them too.

Are there secrets with the new sampler? Hard to say for sure, but I doubt it. They are probably the same unit in terms of hardware, saves Korg money on manufacturing and explains the 270 second sample time too. More or less what you'd expect given the PCM samples on the electribe, so I think more than anything that explains why they didn't go for more sample memory. It's a good compromise given the roles of both units.

The real question for me is what parts of the sampler will eat into that 24 voice count listed on the specs. We know the effects on the electribe can, but what does the edit knob on the sampler do? Do stereo samples halve your voice count? Things like that are what are giving me pause at the moment, and why I didn't pre-order myself.

Hoenstly I thnk there's just way too much speculation and over-thinking things by the user base, claims of bad marketing and delaying release for various reasons, etc. I still think worldwide Korg is probably selling loads of these things, and it just takes time to make them and get them into all the stores. Especially with so many of the stores accepting pre-orders months in advance, that's a lot of stock to fill on day 1, so it's no wonder only the second or third batches are finally hitting stores.

And of course there's a lot of abnormal delays in overseas shipping at the moment, some of the major hubs for even non-US countries are on the west coast US, and there's been really bad strikes and work slow downs affecting things immensely. I say that as someone who's entire studio is being shipping from Seattle to Europe that way, and what would normally take 4-6 weeks is taking 8-12 now.

(btw, that's also the reason I haven't posted more of my own electribe songs, all my gear for recording anything was put into in a shipping container a week after the electribe arrived here. Luckily I brought the electribe with me in carry on luggage! )

Anyway, just my unsolicited $0.02 Smile

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Tarekith · Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:30 pm Post subject:

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Buska · Senior Member Joined: 16 Sep 2014 Posts: 373

To be honest I think mistabishi over hyped the emx2. I took everything he said as gospel so when I actually had the e2 in front of me I was a tad disappointed. It's a great box but not that great.

The fact that all the official videos from korg never showed transitions between patterns (people would stop the seq and then switch pattern then press play again) shows that they new full well about the pattern change glitch and that is annoying to say the least.

The one edit parameter knob for synths and effects killed the e2 for me.. If they would just add a shift function for edit I would maybe even buy it again (secondhand)... Maybe..
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