E2 1.10 update - are some scales messed up now?

roblabs · Post by **roblabs** » Wed Jul 08, 2015 7:42 pm

After updating to 1.10, I notice that a few scales are wonky...go to diminished, co -diminished, or gypsy... Then go to keyboard mode and play the pads. On mine not every pad plays...almost like 2 pads produce the same note. Can someone else test and confirm this please?

dutchcow · Post by **dutchcow** » Wed Jul 08, 2015 9:06 pm

Yes. Same issues as you. As if a Japanse ghost has possessed the pads on certain scales.

apapdop · Post by **apapdop** » Wed Jul 08, 2015 9:31 pm

Same here.... Hmmm...

roblabs · Post by **roblabs** » Wed Jul 08, 2015 9:43 pm

Crap...so it looks like the update has fixed certain bugs but brought new ones. I understand there's a lot to the Electribe but this makes you wonder how much testing Korg is actually doing... Let's all submit this to korg so this can hopefully be addressed asap.

SMK · Post by **SMK** » Thu Jul 09, 2015 12:36 am

Can we have a collection of the scales that got ruined by the update?

Also since this is a serious issue, contact your dealer and tell them that your gear got ruined by the update and that will force a major call to Korg.

If you are a Sweetwater customer call their tech support immediately! There are a couple good guys there that have good relationships with Korg. The only way Korg will take this seriously is if there are enough calls, particularly from their dealers.

RPgrantham · Post by **RPgrantham** » Thu Jul 09, 2015 1:44 am

Hello this is Sweetwater technical support how can I help you. Oh, your Gypsy scale is off after the update and you are outraged? Korg have already been on to us and suggest you learn to play a keyboard

roblabs · Post by **roblabs** » Thu Jul 09, 2015 1:49 am

RPgrantham wrote:Hello this is Sweetwater technical support how can I help you. Oh, your Gypsy scale is off after the update and you are outraged? Korg have already been on to us and suggest you learn to play a keyboard

Nah jokes are off dude. This is actually a serious issue because the FUNCTiONALITY is now ruined. The keyboard mode itself is wonky when you select these scales. I believe the same goes for the touch pad. So korg needs to fix this

Nathaniel Goodwin · Post by **Nathaniel Goodwin** » Thu Jul 09, 2015 3:22 am

I just got mine used from someone that bought it recently, it shipped with ver 1.05. It seems to be working fine, all of the mentioned scales are working okay with the new firmware.

This thread says there may have been a "hardware revision": http://www.reddit.com/r/electribe/comme ... i_test_to/

If there was a hardware change, maybe the earlier ones don't like the new firmware? Again, mine seems to be working fine... Hopefully they can straighten this out, can you try to reflash the firmware and try them again?

Malfunkt · Post by **Malfunkt** » Thu Jul 09, 2015 5:15 am

Just a little bit more detail on this. The scales are still 'correct' as far as the notes that are played. For example the diminished scale, it will light up the right notes, but has spaced the scales across both rows of the keyboard. This requires some 'ghost' notes but is quite playable.

This makes the scales more playable (this might be an improvement!). Take Gypsy for instance, with a similar behaviour to the Diminished scales without the 'duplicate' notes, both rows of pads would not be in alignment.

So personally, i prefer this implementation.

I wrote this on another thread:

The more I play with the scales, I personally don't see the implementation as bug but as an improvement. All the scales either have ghosted notes or wrap at a point to allow the root notes to be aligned.

Take the Gypsy scale for instance, the 'ghosted' notes allow the top and bottom rows to be in alignment.

On the Major 3rd, play the first three pads on the bottom row and then play the first three pads on the top. You can do the same starting with pad 4 on the bottom.

All the scales work this way. Played properly they are all aligned.

I can't completely recall what the behaviour was like before the update as I just repurchased my Electribe back from a friend. I missed it, even with its bugs, and was happy to hear that they addressed some of them.

I haven't had a chance to connect the Electribe to a Midi keyboard, but I remember really liking how Korg had implemented handling scales prior to this.

I'll report on this more. But right now, I personally don't see this as a bug.

roblabs · Post by **roblabs** » Thu Jul 09, 2015 8:59 am

So then why didn't they do this with minor and major pentatonic, for instance? It just seems sloppy to me

dutchcow · Post by **dutchcow** » Thu Jul 09, 2015 9:22 am

In the the diminished scale playing anything on pads 10/12/14 will light up the pad next to it, not the one your press. Some pads have the same note. If this is an improvement it sure is a messy one to me. Feels like a bug not a feature. I'm glad it doesn't happen on all scales.

You lose half the notes as changing octaves is also buggy because you can't go back from the highest to an octave right below it. This makes live playing more than 1 octave pretty much impossible as you skip over 2 complete octaves. It is impossible to go back from slow blinking to fast blinking.

With those two combined it makes live playing any keyboard parts kinda meh.

Frenzies · Post by **Frenzies** » Thu Jul 09, 2015 1:54 pm

dutchcow wrote:In the the diminished scale playing anything on pads 10/12/14 will light up the pad next to it, not the one your press. Some pads have the same note. If this is an improvement it sure is a messy one to me. Feels like a bug not a feature. I'm glad it doesn't happen on all scales.

You lose half the notes as changing octaves is also buggy because you can't go back from the highest to an octave right below it. This makes live playing more than 1 octave pretty much impossible as you skip over 2 complete octaves. It is impossible to go back from slow blinking to fast blinking.

With those two combined it makes live playing any keyboard parts kinda meh.

Totally with you on the octave thing, that is a sloppy piece of work, jumping back 3 octaves at a time from the top!
With the scales I can't see any differences. I'm trying all the ones people are saying and all my pads play as I'd expect them to. I must be missing something.

1_inch_punch · Post by **1_inch_punch** » Thu Jul 09, 2015 2:31 pm

What is happening with Gypsy is plain wrong - its excluding the 4th note of that scale and pushing it up half a semitone to repeat the fifth.

1_inch_punch · Post by **1_inch_punch** » Thu Jul 09, 2015 2:36 pm

And to double check I played the gypsy scale on the Es2 which is correct and not carrying on this way.

Ted3000 · Post by **Ted3000** » Thu Jul 09, 2015 2:39 pm

Nathaniel Goodwin wrote:I just got mine used from someone that bought it recently, it shipped with ver 1.05. It seems to be working fine, all of the mentioned scales are working okay with the new firmware.

This thread says there may have been a "hardware revision": http://www.reddit.com/r/electribe/comme ... i_test_to/

If there was a hardware change, maybe the earlier ones don't like the new firmware? Again, mine seems to be working fine... Hopefully they can straighten this out, can you try to reflash the firmware and try them again?

Those Reddit threads point back to this forum, where we started the hardware rumor by blindly speculating. I don't think there was a hardware revision.

But it is a good lesson how rumors and internet legends work.