Hi!
Been a while... This thing looks astounding! But, it´s a bit confusing with this 1-bit thing. I recall the (C)ommodore Amiga using 8-bit sampling quality, and now you say that this 1-bit is better than almost everything!? Have I missed something, or should I rather not compare this technology with earlier techs? Please, enlighten me (as always)...
Best regards,
Richard Rose
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Old friend ! 
Its only 1 bit but the sampling rate is 2 Ghz (4Ghz in the MR1000!). The single bit is used to say whether the signal increased or decreased in relation to the previous sample that was seen. Imagine doing that 2,000,000 times a second and you can represent a signal very accurately. It's a quite a different way of doing things in comparison to what we are used to.
Check out the Korg whitepaper (PDF)
http://www.korg.com/mr/Future_Proof_Rec ... lained.pdf
Hope you and Lotte and all the family are doing well !
Daz.
Its only 1 bit but the sampling rate is 2 Ghz (4Ghz in the MR1000!). The single bit is used to say whether the signal increased or decreased in relation to the previous sample that was seen. Imagine doing that 2,000,000 times a second and you can represent a signal very accurately. It's a quite a different way of doing things in comparison to what we are used to.
Check out the Korg whitepaper (PDF)
http://www.korg.com/mr/Future_Proof_Rec ... lained.pdf
Hope you and Lotte and all the family are doing well !
Daz.
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Hi Daz!
I´m fine, thank you, and I hope that you are too. I have been busy with my AKAI S5000 and MicroKorg and other cool synths, so I haven´t really had the time to visit here so often as I would.
This 1-bit recording seems very interesting. I wonder how large the file will be when recording 30 seconds? I couldn´t make that out of the .pdf, but surely there is a mathematical way to figure that one out. Surely this will set some new standards for recording.
About the audiogate - is this a Korg product that accompanies the recorders?
Best regards,
Richard
I´m fine, thank you, and I hope that you are too. I have been busy with my AKAI S5000 and MicroKorg and other cool synths, so I haven´t really had the time to visit here so often as I would.
This 1-bit recording seems very interesting. I wonder how large the file will be when recording 30 seconds? I couldn´t make that out of the .pdf, but surely there is a mathematical way to figure that one out. Surely this will set some new standards for recording.
About the audiogate - is this a Korg product that accompanies the recorders?
Best regards,
Richard
1-bit at 5.6 Mhz takes 80 MB per stereo minute. Cut that in half for the SACD rate of 2.8 Mhz.
AudioGate is indeed a Korg app that comes for free with the recorders. I did the recording sessions for the internal demos and I have to tell you, they sound absoultely amazing. Woke up my ears!
regards,
Jerry
AudioGate is indeed a Korg app that comes for free with the recorders. I did the recording sessions for the internal demos and I have to tell you, they sound absoultely amazing. Woke up my ears!
regards,
Jerry
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Obviously also compatible with Sonoma:
http://www.superaudiocenter.com/index.htm
An 8 track DSD Sonoma kit costs in excess of 20.000 USD but you could install it in a decent Windows XP maschine, not kidding.
Congrats on those exciting products Jerry!
http://www.superaudiocenter.com/index.htm
An 8 track DSD Sonoma kit costs in excess of 20.000 USD but you could install it in a decent Windows XP maschine, not kidding.
Congrats on those exciting products Jerry!
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interesting:
http://gearslutz.com/board/showthread.php?t=90235I have been working with Korg on this new 1bit recorder that has been designed by Koji Oishi under the supervision of Dr. Yoshio Yamasaki at Waseda University in Japan.
Dr. Yoshio Yamasaki invented 1bit recording and licensed the technology to Sony (who does not give him credit for it). This new recorder will be a milestone for the recording studio, the MR-1000 will most likely retail for under $799.
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Hey, Bear,
Thanks. The pdf on "1-bit explained" by Korg is so interesting and promising. When I first noticed "1-bit" I thought what the hell is this. But, this makes perfect sense now. I should have followed Daz' link in the first place.
Cheers,
Eric
Thanks. The pdf on "1-bit explained" by Korg is so interesting and promising. When I first noticed "1-bit" I thought what the hell is this. But, this makes perfect sense now. I should have followed Daz' link in the first place.
Cheers,
Eric
Cheers,
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Jim (aka EJ2) Karma-Lab Associate Combi Developer
CATALYST v 2 Blast of Inspiration for KRONOS & OASYS: http://www.karma-lab.com/sounds/catalyst2.html
CATALYST v 1 Combi Explosion for KRONOS, OASYS, M3, & K-M50: http://www.karma-lab.com/sounds/catalyst1.html
CHEMISTRY 3, a Groove Injection for Your Karma: http://www.karma-lab.com/sounds/chem3.html
SoundCloud MP3 Demoshttps://soundcloud.com/ej2-sc
Regarding Sonoma, they invited us to bring the MR-1000 into their "listening room" at AES, partnered with Telarc. Superb ATC speakers in a 5.1 configuration - the best of everything. We moved a few of their files onto the MR-1000 and had a listening sessions and we passed with flying colors. This was a playback only session, of course.laughing_bear wrote:Obviously also compatible with Sonoma:
http://www.superaudiocenter.com/index.htm
An 8 track DSD Sonoma kit costs in excess of 20.000 USD but you could install it in a decent Windows XP maschine, not kidding.
Congrats on those exciting products Jerry!
Then when I brought up one of the 5.6 demos I had recorded we stopped people in their tracks. Die-hard analog people...
So we breathed a big sigh of relief and knew that we really did deliver on our promise, even with a pre-production unit.
Pete Moshay on the GS forum has been helping us greatly, he's a big advocate of educating about qualitative audio differences, he's passionate and a very good engineer.
More news to come in the upcoming months.
Regards,
Jerry
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Hi Jerry,
yeah ATC rocks, best of breed in my view.
You know, you guys are really kewl. While the rest of "the band", talking roland, yamaha, tascam etc. seems to stagnate in their development of new, usable and most of all innovative products, you guys spit them out in a scarey speed.
Looks like your R&D is top notch in deed! Very impressed to say the least.
The problem with SACD in my view is the lack of support on the production side, I mean, who is out there, we have, Sonoma, Pyramix, Genex, and that's about it. So, while the results are beyond any doubts of superiour quality, SACD is a dead horse because it did not get the production tools on a broader level. BlueRay and DVDA still have to proove that they will become a standard, to be honest, I am not so sure about it.
Bottom line, I have no doubts about a massive sales success of your 1-bit products! I think this was a very clever move in deed!
If "stonebroke" would not be my middle name for the next 18 month or so, I would have ordered it right away, besides that flippin OASYS which haunts me in my dreams.
I would have a few questions on the application though, as a field recording device it does have limitted use I think because of the above mentioned lack of affordable DSD production tools.
As a archiving tool, Hell what a solution! But what about the USB connection, can this be used to archive on external and much bigger disks?
Best whishes
~^..^~
Bear
P.S. May you'd like to invite Pete over here as well, always nice to see more Korgies around.
yeah ATC rocks, best of breed in my view.
You know, you guys are really kewl. While the rest of "the band", talking roland, yamaha, tascam etc. seems to stagnate in their development of new, usable and most of all innovative products, you guys spit them out in a scarey speed.
Looks like your R&D is top notch in deed! Very impressed to say the least.The problem with SACD in my view is the lack of support on the production side, I mean, who is out there, we have, Sonoma, Pyramix, Genex, and that's about it. So, while the results are beyond any doubts of superiour quality, SACD is a dead horse because it did not get the production tools on a broader level. BlueRay and DVDA still have to proove that they will become a standard, to be honest, I am not so sure about it.
Bottom line, I have no doubts about a massive sales success of your 1-bit products! I think this was a very clever move in deed!
If "stonebroke" would not be my middle name for the next 18 month or so, I would have ordered it right away, besides that flippin OASYS which haunts me in my dreams.
I would have a few questions on the application though, as a field recording device it does have limitted use I think because of the above mentioned lack of affordable DSD production tools.
As a archiving tool, Hell what a solution! But what about the USB connection, can this be used to archive on external and much bigger disks?
Best whishes
~^..^~
Bear
P.S. May you'd like to invite Pete over here as well, always nice to see more Korgies around.
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I'm new here, but I have been reading everything I can find regarding the MR series recorders. Really an exciting product and at a great price point (if the figures I've seen are correct).
I think that my one biggest concern with the MR1000 is the lack of a SDIF3 I/O. The USB is useful in transfering files to a PC, and for archival that's great. I know that the BNC's aren't practical for the MR-1.
If the MR-1000 is that affordable (1000-1200 per unit) would it not make sense to allow these to be daisy chained together or allow for the direct output of the raw DSD/DXD signal to another piece of hardware altogether? However, at the price point the SDIF3 I/O might not be acheivable. I know that the MR's are prolly undergoing tooling in the production facility so I'm prolly a day late and a dollar short as far as this kind of request or input is concerned. I hope that KORG considers this functionality in the future with upcoming DSD units.
For the record (no pun intended), I am definitely in line for the MR-1000 when it hits the US. Just let me know where I can pre-order
I'm new here, but I have been reading everything I can find regarding the MR series recorders. Really an exciting product and at a great price point (if the figures I've seen are correct).
I think that my one biggest concern with the MR1000 is the lack of a SDIF3 I/O. The USB is useful in transfering files to a PC, and for archival that's great. I know that the BNC's aren't practical for the MR-1.
If the MR-1000 is that affordable (1000-1200 per unit) would it not make sense to allow these to be daisy chained together or allow for the direct output of the raw DSD/DXD signal to another piece of hardware altogether? However, at the price point the SDIF3 I/O might not be acheivable. I know that the MR's are prolly undergoing tooling in the production facility so I'm prolly a day late and a dollar short as far as this kind of request or input is concerned. I hope that KORG considers this functionality in the future with upcoming DSD units.
For the record (no pun intended), I am definitely in line for the MR-1000 when it hits the US. Just let me know where I can pre-order
The Revolution will not be televised.
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Hey Sharp,
I've had an Edirol R-09 for a couple of weeks now, and it produces amazing results just with the built-in mics. I've not felt the need to use external mics yet, although I'm sure that a better stereo mic will give even better results.
I've been field recording for years, having started with a Sony Walkman Pro D-3 with the supplied stereo mic, then moving to Sony MiniDisc - which I always felt was lacking in warmth compared to the D-3. With the R-09, recording wave files at 16 or 24 bit depth gives me all the fidelity I need. Even in MP3 320kbps mode, recordings still sound great and go on for many many hours with just a 2 GB card installed.
Anyway, I'm sure that Korg's mic will be able to capture the full range of kinda freqs you'd need to get great recordings into the MR.
My daughter's grown quite attached to the R-09 already, and took it along on a school field trip today. But if the MR is as good as Korg says it will be, I may just have to pass the R-09 down a generation and get one.
As an aside though, I had this for a while...
http://reviews.cnet.com/Sharp_SD_HX500/ ... 23295.html
...and got rid of it because the sound even through my reference phones was - as the CNET review points out - lacking in impact compared to good ol' 16 bit 44.1khz.
I'll be damned if I can hear the benefits of a 50,000 hz frequency range... reminds me of the old Harman Kardon amp ads that spoke of linear 1-100,000 hz frequency response that would change the way I listened to music
I've had an Edirol R-09 for a couple of weeks now, and it produces amazing results just with the built-in mics. I've not felt the need to use external mics yet, although I'm sure that a better stereo mic will give even better results.
I've been field recording for years, having started with a Sony Walkman Pro D-3 with the supplied stereo mic, then moving to Sony MiniDisc - which I always felt was lacking in warmth compared to the D-3. With the R-09, recording wave files at 16 or 24 bit depth gives me all the fidelity I need. Even in MP3 320kbps mode, recordings still sound great and go on for many many hours with just a 2 GB card installed.
Anyway, I'm sure that Korg's mic will be able to capture the full range of kinda freqs you'd need to get great recordings into the MR.
My daughter's grown quite attached to the R-09 already, and took it along on a school field trip today. But if the MR is as good as Korg says it will be, I may just have to pass the R-09 down a generation and get one.
As an aside though, I had this for a while...
http://reviews.cnet.com/Sharp_SD_HX500/ ... 23295.html
...and got rid of it because the sound even through my reference phones was - as the CNET review points out - lacking in impact compared to good ol' 16 bit 44.1khz.
I'll be damned if I can hear the benefits of a 50,000 hz frequency range... reminds me of the old Harman Kardon amp ads that spoke of linear 1-100,000 hz frequency response that would change the way I listened to music
Commentary aside,
Does anyone here know the file size limitations that either the MR-1 or the MR-1000 will have. Eg. 2GB max file size or unlimited file size (recording time) within the size constraints of the HDD of course. For me this is important, since I would be using this device to record live performances.
JC
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Does anyone here know the file size limitations that either the MR-1 or the MR-1000 will have. Eg. 2GB max file size or unlimited file size (recording time) within the size constraints of the HDD of course. For me this is important, since I would be using this device to record live performances.
JC
(paging Jerry K., you have a call on the white courtesy phone
)The Revolution will not be televised.