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OS 1.3 [SEQ] bounce all tracks to disk problem

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Hello,

I discovered this when i did the mod7 demo, and tonite (here!!) i wanted to bounce to disk for a demo of one sound for a friend. When i use the Bounce all tracks to disk (audio in/sampling TAB ; menu: last item) it does not work, no sounds coming out.

The work around i use is to use the resample SEQ play to disk (audio in/sampling TAB ; menu: autoHDR/sampling setup, Resample SEQ play ; save to : DISK )

what's going wrong with the Bounce all tracks to disk function?

thanx :wink:
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Post by sebbytriton »

RC,
You say "Bounce all tracks to disk" don't works in 1.3 ?

You have to use the resample function else it doesn't works ?
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sebbytriton wrote:RC,
You say "Bounce all tracks to disk" don't works in 1.3 ?
i don't know, it's not working on mine, waiting for answer if it's only mine
You have to use the resample function else it doesn't works ?
i don't understand.... ?!!???!!

resample is working
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Hi RC,
I just reported the same issue to the beta group. I don't know what the hell is going on. I replaced my RAM with two identical sticks and the sequencer seemed to be working properly. But, yesterday and again today, using Stephen's tutorial trying to record my sequence to wav failed.

After loading up my sequence, I move to "Audio in/sampliing" hit the "Bounce All Tracks to wav", then when prompted, I type in a name for the wav. After hitting OK, there are no sounds and the Audio meters do not move. However, two times with Test sequences, a few tracks sounded and they were distorted. I cannot hear the sequence at all, but the lights as described in the tutorial a lit up. One time I let the silent sequence run and a garbled sound started followed by a sustained note. A couple of things I noticed from the Audio in/Sampling page. After hitting OK from the bounce all tracks routine, I notice that my preferrences in the "Sampling Setup" get reset when the seq/sampling are supposedly starting. I saved my sng with Source Bus: L/R, Trigger: Note on, & Save to: RAM. However, the Trigger resets to Sequence START SW, and Save to resets to DISK. After hitting the SEQ Stop/Start button, the lights go out. When I go to Disk mode, I see a WAV file listed, but it's silent, except for those two other test sequences.

I've tried hittiing REC + Stop/start in Sampling Mode followed by hitting the Seq stop/start button. One time a WAV was recorded, but a few pitch shifts were noticeable in a few bars (2 or 3). The WAV finds itself in my Disk list as TAKEONE. Playing back the WAV from Disk mode, everything seems to be intact, but the pitch shifts were also recorded. Other times, there is no audio at all.

Before I swapped my hard drive, I backed up all my data. Reloading it from disk mode works partially. The factory banks restore, but I can't find my PCGs. I need to look again to confirm this.

For the few of us who are having these problems with the sequencer and related sampling to wav, there is something amiss with 1.3.0 in relation to our machines or vice versa. I don't think too many others are experiencing our problems. If they are not, then is it a bug only for our OASYS? Or is it a hardware issue?

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Hi Eric/RC

This is just a hunch. Many users have done the update and I'm sure there are many who have no problems but,.. I'll also bet that many just play their combis and are happy. Not really knowing that the problems are lurking within. Have you been following this threaad at KLF: http://www.karma-lab.com/forum/showthre ... adid=10490

It seems this work around is not only for GEs. It completely fixed EVERY issue I've been having. It may also fix what you just explained?
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Hi Lou,
Yes, Stephen alerted me to the thread. I've also responded there at KLF as well. I'll try to get to it. PM me when you get a chance.
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beside this problem, everything seems to be working fine on mine
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EJ2 wrote: After loading up my sequence, I move to "Audio in/sampliing" hit the "Bounce All Tracks to wav", then when prompted, I type in a name for the wav. After hitting OK, there are no sounds and the Audio meters do not move. However, two times with Test sequences, a few tracks sounded and they were distorted. I cannot hear the sequence at all, but the lights as described in the tutorial a lit up. One time I let the silent sequence run and a garbled sound started followed by a sustained note.
I just tried this:

1. Turn on the OASYS.
2. Go to Sequencer mode.
All tracks will be set to use INT-A 000, which in the factory sounds is a piano Program. The Keyboard Track will already be set to 1.
3. Without changing any settings, record a brief piano part.
This will record MIDI into track 1.
4. Go to the 0–8: Audio In/Sampling page.
5. Select Bounce All Tracks To Disk from the menu.
A dialog box will appear, showing the file system.
6. Use Drive Select, Open, and Up to select the
directory in which the WAVE file will be saved.
7. Use Name to specify the filename for the WAVE file. Name it "BOUNCE."
8. Press the OK button to execute the command. If you decide to cancel, press the Cancel button.
The Song will start playing. Recording will begin and end automatically at the end of the song - you can also stop recording manually. The resulting stereo WAVE file will be saved to the disk.

This seemed to work well. Can you try it, as a simple case?

I would also be interested in the PCG and SNG files you were using, so that we can try to replicate your situation exactly.
EJ2 wrote:A couple of things I noticed from the Audio in/Sampling page.

After hitting OK from the bounce all tracks routine, I notice that my preferrences in the "Sampling Setup" get reset when the seq/sampling are supposedly starting. I saved my sng with Source Bus: L/R, Trigger: Note on, & Save to: RAM. However, the Trigger resets to Sequence START SW, and Save to resets to DISK.
Yes, that's how the function works.

A side note: these parameters are not saved with the song. They're temporary settings, which apply to all of Sequencer mode.
EJ2 wrote: I've tried hittiing REC + Stop/start in Sampling Mode followed by hitting the Seq stop/start button. One time a WAV was recorded, but a few pitch shifts were noticeable in a few bars (2 or 3). The WAV finds itself in my Disk list as TAKEONE. Playing back the WAV from Disk mode, everything seems to be intact, but the pitch shifts were also recorded.
As I mentioned to you in an earlier email, my guess is that the pitch shifts are from an un-calibrated controller, since you just swapped out your hard drive as part of our beta-testing, and the calibration data is stored on the drive.
EJ2 wrote: Before I swapped my hard drive, I backed up all my data. Reloading it from disk mode works partially. The factory banks restore, but I can't find my PCGs. I need to look again to confirm this.
If you backed up your PCGs, they will be on whatever disk you saved them to. You will then be able to copy them to other disks, such as the internal drive, or to load them into memory. Note that these are two separate steps. If you're still having difficulty, please let me know.

Best regards,

Dan
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Re: OS 1.3 [SEQ] bounce all tracks to disk problem

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RC-IA wrote:Hello,

I discovered this when i did the mod7 demo, and tonite (here!!) i wanted to bounce to disk for a demo of one sound for a friend. When i use the Bounce all tracks to disk (audio in/sampling TAB ; menu: last item) it does not work, no sounds coming out.

The work around i use is to use the resample SEQ play to disk (audio in/sampling TAB ; menu: autoHDR/sampling setup, Resample SEQ play ; save to : DISK )

what's going wrong with the Bounce all tracks to disk function?

thanx :wink:
I'm sorry that you've encountered difficulties. If possible, could you send me the PCG and SNG files for that project, so that we can try to reproduce the problem here? If you compress the files (zip etc.), they should become small enough to email. You can send them to me at dan@korgrd.com.

Best regards,

Dan
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hello Dan,

Email sent !!
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I just tried this:

1. Turn on the OASYS.
2. Go to Sequencer mode.
All tracks will be set to use INT-A 000, which in the factory sounds is a piano Program. The Keyboard Track will already be set to 1.
3. Without changing any settings, record a brief piano part.
This will record MIDI into track 1.
4. Go to the 0–8: Audio In/Sampling page.
5. Select Bounce All Tracks To Disk from the menu.
A dialog box will appear, showing the file system.
6. Use Drive Select, Open, and Up to select the
directory in which the WAVE file will be saved.
7. Use Name to specify the filename for the WAVE file. Name it "BOUNCE."
8. Press the OK button to execute the command. If you decide to cancel, press the Cancel button.
The Song will start playing. Recording will begin and end automatically at the end of the song - you can also stop recording manually. The resulting stereo WAVE file will be saved to the disk.

This seemed to work well. Can you try it, as a simple case?
I tried it exactly the way you discribed. I saw the WAVE file, but there was no sound.

Then I went to the PAGE menu and selected AUTO HDR/SAMPLING SETUP and I selected 2CH MIX TO DISK. And it worked :roll:


Update: I recorded a combi A00 ENTER/REC START and selected BOUNCE ALL TRACKS TO DISK and it worked, but then the O frooze..

another update:
Now I got the most strange sounds with BOUNCE ALL TRACKS TO DISK, not what I played. I did load all the Factory settings, swapped the RAM a view days ago, did the 1.3 update too because I encountered freezes and thought it all worked fine.......

(selecting AUTO HDR/SAMPLING SETUP and 2CH MIX TO DISK still working perfect)

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danatkorg wrote:
I just tried this:

1. Turn on the OASYS.
2. Go to Sequencer mode.
All tracks will be set to use INT-A 000, which in the factory sounds is a piano Program. The Keyboard Track will already be set to 1.
3. Without changing any settings, record a brief piano part.
This will record MIDI into track 1.
4. Go to the 0–8: Audio In/Sampling page.
5. Select Bounce All Tracks To Disk from the menu.
A dialog box will appear, showing the file system.
6. Use Drive Select, Open, and Up to select the
directory in which the WAVE file will be saved.
7. Use Name to specify the filename for the WAVE file. Name it "BOUNCE."
8. Press the OK button to execute the command. If you decide to cancel, press the Cancel button.
The Song will start playing. Recording will begin and end automatically at the end of the song - you can also stop recording manually. The resulting stereo WAVE file will be saved to the disk.

This seemed to work well. Can you try it, as a simple case?
Hi Dan,
I followed your example above, each and every time (5 Times/Forced Reboot) it produced a complete freeze at step #8. It also gave me a file on the HD (Bounce) with a 0 file size. I then tried reloading the Factory PCG file which has been the TOTAL fix for my O with 1.3. (In Sequence Mode) This produced the same exact freeze. So, it seems there is more than one thing happing here. Like I said, reloading the Factory PCGs has omitted all problems I've encountered, until now with the mentioned Audio In/Sampling. I haven't been using the feature, so I just didn't know it wasn't functioning until now. It worked well under 123.
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I just tried this:

1. Turn on the OASYS.
2. Go to Sequencer mode.
All tracks will be set to use INT-A 000, which in the factory sounds is a piano Program. The Keyboard Track will already be set to 1.
3. Without changing any settings, record a brief piano part.
This will record MIDI into track 1.
4. Go to the 0–8: Audio In/Sampling page.
5. Select Bounce All Tracks To Disk from the menu.
A dialog box will appear, showing the file system.
6. Use Drive Select, Open, and Up to select the
directory in which the WAVE file will be saved.
7. Use Name to specify the filename for the WAVE file. Name it "BOUNCE."
8. Press the OK button to execute the command. If you decide to cancel, press the Cancel button.
The Song will start playing. Recording will begin and end automatically at the end of the song - you can also stop recording manually. The resulting stereo WAVE file will be saved to the disk.

This seemed to work well. Can you try it, as a simple case?
Hi Dan,
I followed your example above, each and every time (5 Times/Forced Reboot) it produced a complete freeze at step #8. It also gave me a file on the HD (Bounce) with a 0 file size. I then tried reloading the Factory PCG file which has been the TOTAL fix for my O with 1.3. (In Sequence Mode) This produced the same exact freeze. So, it seems there is more than one thing happing here. Like I said, reloading the Factory PCGs has omitted all problems I've encountered, until now with the mentioned Audio In/Sampling. I haven't been using the feature, so I just didn't know it wasn't functioning until now. It worked well under 123.
Hi Dan/Lou
I have the same problem as Lou but mine didn't get as far recording onto the HD. All what happen to me was that I got as far as step #8 and the sampling rec & start/stop buttons were lit steady red, the song didn't play and it didn't even start recording. Tried playing keys but nothing, the lights on the sliders, knobs & switches (except for the KARMA switches) on the left were responding to movement as well as the corresponding items on the screen. Went to press any MODE button and then everything totally froze, also after about a minute or so there was increased fan noise. I had to switch off and on again. This problem happened everytime I went through the same routine again. This is a serious bug as the machine totally freezes everytime I do this! :x

Just out of interest, I had also later tried the 'Bounce all tracks to disk' routine using saved MIDI SNG files and these worked OK.

Regards

Dave
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Just out of interest, I had also later tried the 'Bounce all tracks to disk' routine using saved MIDI SNG files and these worked OK.

Regards

Dave
Hi Dave
I did the same and got it to work just once. Then I tried to load the file and it told me "Illegal SMF"
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Don't know if it's 1.3 or what, but since updating I've been getting the "Illegal SMF" msgs a lot. And this happens when I try to load MID files that work fine on my Yamaha XS.

I don't get these error msgs on my M3. :?
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