Oasys-76 key action vs Motif XS7 key action

KingJ · Post by **KingJ** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 8:42 pm

Does anyone have any oppinions about this? I have an XS6, which has the same key action as the XS7, and it's the best synth action keyboard I've ever played. How's the action on the Oasys-76 compared to the Yamaha Motif XS6 or 7?

MartinHines · Post by **MartinHines** » Sat Dec 08, 2007 4:02 am

Probably very similar.

The OASYS 76, Triton (all 76 and 61 key varieties), Yamaha Motif 6/7 and Motif ES 6/7 use a Yamaha "FS" synth action keybed.

Yamaha created a new "FSX" synth action primarily due to environmental concerns, which is used in the Tyros 2 and Motif XS 6 & 7. i don't think it was Yamaha's intent to drastically change the FS action, which is why I assume the FSX action is similar.

If your local store has a Triton or Motif ES 6&7 you could test it out.

KingJ · Post by **KingJ** » Sat Dec 08, 2007 11:19 am

MartinHines wrote:Probably very similar.

The OASYS 76, Triton (all 76 and 61 key varieties), Yamaha Motif 6/7 and Motif ES 6/7 use a Yamaha "FS" synth action keybed.

Yamaha created a new "FSX" synth action primarily due to environmental concerns, which is used in the Tyros 2 and Motif XS 6 & 7. i don't think it was Yamaha's intent to drastically change the FS action, which is why I assume the FSX action is similar.

If your local store has a Triton or Motif ES 6&7 you could test it out.

Thanks Martin. That's weird that Yamaha created the FSX keyboard for environmental reasons. I wonder what those reasons were. Thanks for the info.

Kontrol49 · Post by **Kontrol49** » Sat Dec 08, 2007 1:05 pm

KingJ wrote:
That's weird that Yamaha created the FSX keyboard for environmental reasons. I wonder what those reasons were. Thanks for the info.

Probably to make them Feel better for all those Trees they had cultivated for the Wood Pulp used for the NS10 monitors....

Most Plastics in Keyboards now confirm to a Recycling process,its usually outlined in the Manuals of synths Although I've never understood the Principle of this,How many times have you submitted a totally dead synth to your Local Environmental Friendly service centre!!!

If any of my synths died on me it would be repaired!And I'd expect them in this day and age to last a very long time.

I can just see the Q now in 30 years time of a long line of Oasys and Motif owners taking there synths to the local recycling Facility

KingJ · Post by **KingJ** » Sat Dec 08, 2007 1:15 pm

When I first read about the environmental thing on Motifator, I thought that Yamaha_US was joking, but I guess he wasn't. I haven't played an ES6 or 7 in a long time, but if I remember right, the key action is not as good as the new FSX keyboard, but I could be wrong. I do know however, that one time in a music store, when I played a Roland Fantom X6 and a Yamaha Motif ES6 side by side, the Fantom's keys felt much lighter and cheaper to me than those on the ES. Since the Oasys-76 has a Yamaha keyboard, it's probably a joy to play. I love the Yamaha synth action keyboards.

Kerzwhile · Post by **Kerzwhile** » Sat Dec 08, 2007 4:02 pm

Tp be completelly honest it would not suprise me if they are actually the same action!! Korg and Yammy have been in bed together for years!! Just ask any service center! Take apart a Triton action and you will find Yamaha parts all over it!!

KingJ · Post by **KingJ** » Sat Dec 08, 2007 6:21 pm

Hey, I like Yamaha stuff, especially their sounds. They have a knack for emulating accoostic instruments. They also have the best samples of analog gear I've ever heard. However, on the synth side of things, Korg has got that nailed. The Oasys is the only synth out there right now that has vector synthesis and wave sequencing. AL1 is a killer VA, and MOD7 competes with the Synclavier's famous FM.

BTW, did yu know that Roland and Yamaha also work together? Some of the same samples found in the Fantom X can also be found in many Yamaha synths. People take this competition thing too seriously, but the big three companies are really working together.

EricG · Post by **EricG** » Sat Dec 08, 2007 7:07 pm

That's weird that Yamaha created the FSX keyboard for environmental reasons. I wonder what those reasons were. Thanks for the info.

The new keybeds was designed to be up to the RoHS standard. If the keybed was not redesigned their products could not be sold in the European Union. More info about this can be found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RoHS
We actually lost a few products in Europe because it was not economical to redesign some products to sell them here. (eg: the Korg CX-3, can not any longer be bought in Europe)

KingJ · Post by **KingJ** » Sat Dec 08, 2007 7:18 pm

EricG wrote:
That's weird that Yamaha created the FSX keyboard for environmental reasons. I wonder what those reasons were. Thanks for the info.

The new keybeds was designed to be up to the RoHS standard. If the keybed was not redesigned their products could not be sold in the European Union. More info about this can be found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RoHS
We actually lost a few products in Europe because it was not economical to redesign some products to sell them here. (eg: the Korg CX-3, can not any longer be bought in Europe)

Since the Oasys-76 has the old SF keyboard, can it be bought in Europe, or have they put a different keyboard in it now?

Voltan · Post by **Voltan** » Sat Dec 08, 2007 7:25 pm

I've seen an OASYS in store here just a few weeks ago...

Kerzwhile · Post by **Kerzwhile** » Sat Dec 08, 2007 7:52 pm

KingJ wrote:Hey, I like Yamaha stuff, especially their sounds. They have a knack for emulating accoostic instruments. They also have the best samples of analog gear I've ever heard. However, on the synth side of things, Korg has got that nailed. The Oasys is the only synth out there right now that has vector synthesis and wave sequencing. AL1 is a killer VA, and MOD7 competes with the Synclavier's famous FM.

BTW, did yu know that Roland and Yamaha also work together? Some of the same samples found in the Fantom X can also be found in many Yamaha synths. People take this competition thing too seriously, but the big three companies are really working together.

Hence my love
and passion for Kurzweil!!!!

The KING of ALL!!!!

bax · Post by **bax** » Sat Dec 08, 2007 8:19 pm

I have both an O-76 and XS7. Totally subjective and IMHO, but I like the keys on the XS7 a little better. When actually playing, it feels a little more "substantial" from the standpoint of key travel (both directions) and weighting. It feels like the keybed is a little more solidly built. The Yamaha is also a considerably quieter mechanical action when playing.

Again, just my **totally subjective** personal viewpoint and observations and not based on anything other than personal tastes and feel - hope that helps!

Thanks!
bax

MartinHines · Post by **MartinHines** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 5:40 am

Kerzwhile wrote:Tp be completelly honest it would not suprise me if they are actually the same action!! Korg and Yammy have been in bed together for years!! Just ask any service center! Take apart a Triton action and you will find Yamaha parts all over it!!

The OASYS 76 and Motif XS6/7 actions are not the same. Korg lists all of their parts in their product service manuals, and the OASYS definitely lists the Yamaha FS action for the O76.

As I stated before, the OASYS 76, and all of the higher end Tritons 61/76s (Classic, Extreme, & Studio) do have a Yamaha FS action in them.

silverdragonsound · Post by **silverdragonsound** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 7:00 pm

Kerzwhile wrote:
KingJ wrote:Hey, I like Yamaha stuff, especially their sounds. They have a knack for emulating accoostic instruments. They also have the best samples of analog gear I've ever heard. However, on the synth side of things, Korg has got that nailed. The Oasys is the only synth out there right now that has vector synthesis and wave sequencing. AL1 is a killer VA, and MOD7 competes with the Synclavier's famous FM.

BTW, did yu know that Roland and Yamaha also work together? Some of the same samples found in the Fantom X can also be found in many Yamaha synths. People take this competition thing too seriously, but the big three companies are really working together.
Hence my love
and passion for Kurzweil!!!! The KING of ALL!!!!

I know Yamaha owns a decent portion of Korg. I don't know exactly how that plays out in terms of R & D, decision making, and influences though. It makes sense that Yamaha would want Korg to succeed as they have a financial interest/investment in them. Plus you have to factor in that business in Japan is done differently than it is here. Different principles and ways of doing things. Korg and Yamaha are both Japanese companies. My understanding is that Yamaha really competes with Roland. I don't know exactly how Yamaha and Roland go about getting their samples ,but I can't imagine that Yamaha would want to help their main competitor and vice versa from Roland's point of view.

anhe · Post by **anhe** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 3:25 am

silverdragonsound wrote:
Kerzwhile wrote:
KingJ wrote:Hey, I like Yamaha stuff, especially their sounds. They have a knack for emulating accoostic instruments. They also have the best samples of analog gear I've ever heard. However, on the synth side of things, Korg has got that nailed. The Oasys is the only synth out there right now that has vector synthesis and wave sequencing. AL1 is a killer VA, and MOD7 competes with the Synclavier's famous FM.

BTW, did yu know that Roland and Yamaha also work together? Some of the same samples found in the Fantom X can also be found in many Yamaha synths. People take this competition thing too seriously, but the big three companies are really working together.
Hence my love
and passion for Kurzweil!!!! The KING of ALL!!!!

I know Yamaha owns a decent portion of Korg. I don't know exactly how that plays out in terms of R & D, decision making, and influences though. It makes sense that Yamaha would want Korg to succeed as they have a financial interest/investment in them. Plus you have to factor in that business in Japan is done differently than it is here. Different principles and ways of doing things. Korg and Yamaha are both Japanese companies. My understanding is that Yamaha really competes with Roland. I don't know exactly how Yamaha and Roland go about getting their samples ,but I can't imagine that Yamaha would want to help their main competitor and vice versa from Roland's point of view.

Yamaha owns a decent portion of korg ?
I beg to differ (please correct me if I'm wrong tho...)

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korg

Yamaha Corporation has always been a major partner of Korg, supplying them with circuitry and mechanical parts. In 1987, shortly before the release of the M1 Music Workstation, Yamaha acquired a controlling interest in Korg's stock. The takeover of the company was amicable, with Kato drawing up the terms, and the two companies continued to independently develop their product lines and compete in the marketplace. After the following 5 very successful years, Kato had enough cash to rebuy most of the Yamaha share back in 1993, something that has gone unnoticed to many except maybe the shareholders.