Simple Programming Proceedure,
My PCG,Comb,SNG,KSC file that I use on stage is called PANAMA. After loading PANAMA into my Triton Extreme, I decide to write a Combination.
After I have completed a Combination for use on stage including FX, and I save this new Combination, say E-038, to the same file, PANAMA, when I go to Media and pull down SAVE, then hit ALL, does this only change E-038 in PANAMA, or does it also change other Comb and Programs at the same time? I mean does it take the timbre or timbres in the Combination that I just saved and also put it in other Combinations that I have previously programmed in place of other timbres by the proceedure that I just described to you?
Monte
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Maybe you just didn't write it, but before saving to media, you should save your combi to internal memory, write it "in Triton" and it will stay there (until you overwrite it with some new combi).
Regarding saving to media - when you create new combi, write it in internal memory and decide to save it to media, when you choose your previous file and option "Save all", just that one combi that you made will be added to your previous data. Now, this "added" means thins - let's say you previously used combi slots E from 000 to 030. You had them saved. Now you make one more combi, E031. When you go to "Save all", combi E031 will be overwritten to combi previously existed in your file, meaning you already had preset combi in that slot and now you overwrote it with your setup combi. So, if you make few combis during one programming session, let's say E031, E032, E033 (and write them all into internal memory), when you go to media and choose "Save all" your combis E031, E032, E033 will overwrite preset combis in your file, without influencing other combis or programs in that file.
To easily comprehend all of this, you have to understand what happens when you choose "Save all":
1. It saves your .ksc data (multisamples and samples that are currently in RAM),
2. it saves your .sng data (songs currently in Triton),
3. it saves ALL programs and combis in Extreme, meaning all slots in all banks, no matter are they presets, user programmed or both.
4. also saves your global menu settings.
Regards,
shrike
Regarding saving to media - when you create new combi, write it in internal memory and decide to save it to media, when you choose your previous file and option "Save all", just that one combi that you made will be added to your previous data. Now, this "added" means thins - let's say you previously used combi slots E from 000 to 030. You had them saved. Now you make one more combi, E031. When you go to "Save all", combi E031 will be overwritten to combi previously existed in your file, meaning you already had preset combi in that slot and now you overwrote it with your setup combi. So, if you make few combis during one programming session, let's say E031, E032, E033 (and write them all into internal memory), when you go to media and choose "Save all" your combis E031, E032, E033 will overwrite preset combis in your file, without influencing other combis or programs in that file.
To easily comprehend all of this, you have to understand what happens when you choose "Save all":
1. It saves your .ksc data (multisamples and samples that are currently in RAM),
2. it saves your .sng data (songs currently in Triton),
3. it saves ALL programs and combis in Extreme, meaning all slots in all banks, no matter are they presets, user programmed or both.
4. also saves your global menu settings.
Regards,
shrike
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stultzsweeties
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In Program E-004 I have my favorite piano sound.
In some of my Combinations I have this Program. Let's say that I write Program E-004 to E-018 and I put E-018 into a Combination E-018 and at the same time I insert EFX with the Combination. Because I changed the basic piano sound which I believe was A-001 Concert Grand, and copy insert EFX when I put this into Combination E-018, will that also effect every Combination that has E-004 to the new Program E-018 that I copy and inserted EFX to.
The other night at the club I programmed some EFX in a Combination E-037 which previously didn't have anything programmed in it. I named it WholeLottaLove. They were from Programs in SE section and G(d) drum sounds. Every time I changed something in E-037 I would write it to E-037 and then continue adding parts. I think I added a total of about 6 timbres to this Combination. Again I wrote it to memory. Next I saved it to PCG file PANAMA. Then I left the stage and went to get something to eat. When I returned and pulled up another Combination some of the EFX appeared in this combination which was a simple single timbre Combination with a trumpet sound in it. I also found a couple of other Combinations that have some of these EFX that have appeared in them.
So before we started playing i had to franticly go through and change back all those effected Combinations. How do I avoid this or am I doing something wrong?
Monte
In some of my Combinations I have this Program. Let's say that I write Program E-004 to E-018 and I put E-018 into a Combination E-018 and at the same time I insert EFX with the Combination. Because I changed the basic piano sound which I believe was A-001 Concert Grand, and copy insert EFX when I put this into Combination E-018, will that also effect every Combination that has E-004 to the new Program E-018 that I copy and inserted EFX to.
The other night at the club I programmed some EFX in a Combination E-037 which previously didn't have anything programmed in it. I named it WholeLottaLove. They were from Programs in SE section and G(d) drum sounds. Every time I changed something in E-037 I would write it to E-037 and then continue adding parts. I think I added a total of about 6 timbres to this Combination. Again I wrote it to memory. Next I saved it to PCG file PANAMA. Then I left the stage and went to get something to eat. When I returned and pulled up another Combination some of the EFX appeared in this combination which was a simple single timbre Combination with a trumpet sound in it. I also found a couple of other Combinations that have some of these EFX that have appeared in them.
So before we started playing i had to franticly go through and change back all those effected Combinations. How do I avoid this or am I doing something wrong?
Monte
Monte, you got me to read this post of yours three times to understand what you are saying.
OK, let's return to basics:
1. when you create combi and assign few programs to it, let's say four of them - combi won't remember those programs, but PROGRAM SLOTS AND BANKS. For example, if you created combi E030 and assigned programs A040, B041, C042 and D043 into that combi and wrote it in internal memory and on media, combi didn't remember which programs you assigned to it; combi will use program slot 040 in bank A, program slot 041 in bank B, program slot 042 in bank C and program slot 043 in bank D (all banks refer to program banks).
2. now, if you have some program in slot 040 in bank A and copy that program to slot 041 in bank B, every combi that used previous program in slot 041 in bank B will now be using new program copied from A040.
3. if you change program in A040 with new program, every combi that used program A040 will now be using a new program. See how does this work?
Triton Extreme, and basically every Korg, is programmed in this way: combis remember program's locations, not programs itself; programs remember multisample's locations, not multisamples itsels; songs remember pattern's number, not patterns itself etc etc...
From your post I understood you have issues with this, but I didn't understand your setup situation, sorry, but you assigned EFX somewhere and there too and combi here and you got away and returned back and everything was screwed... sorry, Monte, I just can't figure what happened.
But I do hope I managed to explain you this procedure.
OK, let's return to basics:
1. when you create combi and assign few programs to it, let's say four of them - combi won't remember those programs, but PROGRAM SLOTS AND BANKS. For example, if you created combi E030 and assigned programs A040, B041, C042 and D043 into that combi and wrote it in internal memory and on media, combi didn't remember which programs you assigned to it; combi will use program slot 040 in bank A, program slot 041 in bank B, program slot 042 in bank C and program slot 043 in bank D (all banks refer to program banks).
2. now, if you have some program in slot 040 in bank A and copy that program to slot 041 in bank B, every combi that used previous program in slot 041 in bank B will now be using new program copied from A040.
3. if you change program in A040 with new program, every combi that used program A040 will now be using a new program. See how does this work?
Triton Extreme, and basically every Korg, is programmed in this way: combis remember program's locations, not programs itself; programs remember multisample's locations, not multisamples itsels; songs remember pattern's number, not patterns itself etc etc...
From your post I understood you have issues with this, but I didn't understand your setup situation, sorry, but you assigned EFX somewhere and there too and combi here and you got away and returned back and everything was screwed... sorry, Monte, I just can't figure what happened.
But I do hope I managed to explain you this procedure.
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stultzsweeties
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I think I now know what I did wrong.
When I first started using this keyboard I did not understand what you just explained to me.
I had two days to create the sounds I needed for the next gig. I had been using an Alesis QS6.1 for some sounds and a Roland GR-33 guitar synth for midi in to achieve certain sounds from that unit.
I did not understand the way that the buffer works in the Extreme.
I thought that if I found a sound that I matched to the sound that I could write that sound from it's location to the new Program in E bank. In E bank as I found a sound that matched a song that I was playing I would rename that Program with the name of the song. I use a laptop to make slides of the names of the songs so when that song is next to play on the songlist then I pull it up. I did this with both Combis and Programs and used the E bank for both to perform. And in the mean time I continue to write, save, and media-ize, my PANAMA file for performance purposes not really understanding what I'm doing. So this is a compounded problem that I'm not sure that I can really fix, nor do I really want to go through and change back the programs to the basic sounds that they were before. I also think that during this learning process I actually switched an entire bank from someones personal bank on organ sounds and luckily I was able to get rid of that bank back to the origional bank and this changed all my sounds in E banks on my keyboard also.
What a mess, but thank you Shrike for hangin in there and helping a fellow human being,
Monte
When I first started using this keyboard I did not understand what you just explained to me.
I had two days to create the sounds I needed for the next gig. I had been using an Alesis QS6.1 for some sounds and a Roland GR-33 guitar synth for midi in to achieve certain sounds from that unit.
I did not understand the way that the buffer works in the Extreme.
I thought that if I found a sound that I matched to the sound that I could write that sound from it's location to the new Program in E bank. In E bank as I found a sound that matched a song that I was playing I would rename that Program with the name of the song. I use a laptop to make slides of the names of the songs so when that song is next to play on the songlist then I pull it up. I did this with both Combis and Programs and used the E bank for both to perform. And in the mean time I continue to write, save, and media-ize, my PANAMA file for performance purposes not really understanding what I'm doing. So this is a compounded problem that I'm not sure that I can really fix, nor do I really want to go through and change back the programs to the basic sounds that they were before. I also think that during this learning process I actually switched an entire bank from someones personal bank on organ sounds and luckily I was able to get rid of that bank back to the origional bank and this changed all my sounds in E banks on my keyboard also.
What a mess, but thank you Shrike for hangin in there and helping a fellow human being,
Monte
No trouble at all Monte, my friend.
You'll probably have to do some arranging eventually, every one of us probably took that step. To organize your programs in some logic way and then create combis in the fly, when you know which sound is where. I erased 254 preset sounds, meaning two banks of them (mostly some freaking bells and dance don't-know-how-to-call-them sounds), and filled those banks with sounds organized in way I find logical and needed for my playing.
I recommend you do the same. It will take you some time initially, but later you'll be much more organized and it will take you less time to trigger proper sounds.
Best regards,
shrike
You'll probably have to do some arranging eventually, every one of us probably took that step. To organize your programs in some logic way and then create combis in the fly, when you know which sound is where. I erased 254 preset sounds, meaning two banks of them (mostly some freaking bells and dance don't-know-how-to-call-them sounds), and filled those banks with sounds organized in way I find logical and needed for my playing.
I recommend you do the same. It will take you some time initially, but later you'll be much more organized and it will take you less time to trigger proper sounds.
Best regards,
shrike