Hey, guys! This is a request for 2 new software features for PA1X Pro (as well as for PA2X Pro).
Both are for Style Recording mode:
1) Swing quantize dial from 0 to 100% in 1% increments with realtime preview (for a single note and for an entire track). Very important!!
There is no way otherwise to make a style to groove without this feature.
2) An ability to play along with any engaged track (Drums, Percs, Bass or Acc) without recording anything on to it (and not in the Mute mode). Being able to hear what's already recorded on the track, play along (rehearse) with it, then, when ready hit Record and overdub.
Unfortunately these keyboards don't have a separate Rec On/Off button (hardware or software) so this is the solution to the problem.
Thank you very much in advance!
2 New Features Needed for PA1X Pro!
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Rob Sherratt
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Re: 2 New Features Needed for PA1X Pro!
Hello Grey,Grey wrote:Hey, guys! This is a request for 2 new software features for PA1X Pro (as well as for PA2X Pro). Both are for Style Recording mode:
1) Swing quantize dial from 0 to 100% in 1% increments with realtime preview (for a single note and for an entire track). Very important!!
There is no way otherwise to make a style to groove without this feature.
2) An ability to play along with any engaged track (Drums, Percs, Bass or Acc) without recording anything on to it (and not in the Mute mode). Being able to hear what's already recorded on the track, play along (rehearse) with it, then, when ready hit Record and overdub.
Unfortunately these keyboards don't have a separate Rec On/Off button (hardware or software) so this is the solution to the problem.
Welcome to the forum. Here are some suggestions:
1) See page 114 of the Pa1x-252F-ENF.pdf manual (downloadable from www.korgpa.com). Swing quantise is supported when you quantize. Admittedly it is not linked to the dial. However you can make nice styles with varying "swing groove" in this way.
2) You can accomplish this (admittedly not so conveniently as in your suggestion) by exiting edit mode, then setting Upper 1 to be the same sound or drumkit as the track you want to play along with."Grid resolution, in musical values. A “b…f” character added after the value means swing-quantization. A “3” means triplet".
Hope these suggestions help.
Hi Rob,
I haven't been able to reply before and so here I am.
Thank you for your suggestions!
Yes, I know about the "swing" quantize through "b...f" characters. It was limiting for me and that's why I've asked for the "real thing" as a new feature.
The character swing values are far apart as they are right now, and so you can't move the "feel" just a little more or less. It's very limiting the way they've decided to design that feature.
What I'm talking about is an actual incremental virtual dial/fader or simply a box where I could input a value in % in 1 step increments. I could just spin the wheel and increase or decrease the amount wile listening in realtime, until I find the result I'm looking for. (That's the Live Preview feature I was talking about.) That's how it has been in software sequencers for years now. It is very convenient and also very common sense.
The other feature I was talking about was a rehearsal mode for style recording. Thank you for your walk-around solution. The only thing about that is while the OS is exiting and entering different modes you loose your ideas while you readjust yourself.
You see, this is another common sense idea, which I can't believe that Korg didn't implement. All workstations, as far as I know, since M1 had a separate Rec On/Off button and Play button. You could play it, then, when you are ready, press Rec and print it. Isn't that how it really should be?
This was best implemented in i30. It had both Rec On/Off button and Rehearsal check box in Style Recording Mode. Why did they omit the most convenient features? Of course, Korg has made up for it in other ways in these instruments, but this feature was so convenient that after using it for so long on other keyboards I can't concentrate on music anymore with my PA1X Pro. Now it's more about how do I make this style quickly and get it over with.
Anyway..
In general it feels to me like Korg didn't and doesn't really want to invest much in this PA line of keyboards, because I think there's not as much a demand for them as for their other workstation products. The OS in all of them (PA1X, 2X, 800) feels very unfinished, and not only in terms of stability (PA2 & 800). The user interface is far from being streamlined and the most common sense features are missing. It's such a shame, because these keyboards sound great! There is so much potential in them, but... oh, well. It looks like in many ways they are trying not to repeat what has already been done (maybe it's a patent thing) by implementing features in a "reinvent a wheel" kind of a way, putting them in different inconvenient places in the OS or not implementing them at all. What's left is only a potential for a great instrument...
That's just my opinion.
Thank you once again!
I haven't been able to reply before and so here I am.
Thank you for your suggestions!
Yes, I know about the "swing" quantize through "b...f" characters. It was limiting for me and that's why I've asked for the "real thing" as a new feature.
The character swing values are far apart as they are right now, and so you can't move the "feel" just a little more or less. It's very limiting the way they've decided to design that feature.
What I'm talking about is an actual incremental virtual dial/fader or simply a box where I could input a value in % in 1 step increments. I could just spin the wheel and increase or decrease the amount wile listening in realtime, until I find the result I'm looking for. (That's the Live Preview feature I was talking about.) That's how it has been in software sequencers for years now. It is very convenient and also very common sense.
The other feature I was talking about was a rehearsal mode for style recording. Thank you for your walk-around solution. The only thing about that is while the OS is exiting and entering different modes you loose your ideas while you readjust yourself.
You see, this is another common sense idea, which I can't believe that Korg didn't implement. All workstations, as far as I know, since M1 had a separate Rec On/Off button and Play button. You could play it, then, when you are ready, press Rec and print it. Isn't that how it really should be?
This was best implemented in i30. It had both Rec On/Off button and Rehearsal check box in Style Recording Mode. Why did they omit the most convenient features? Of course, Korg has made up for it in other ways in these instruments, but this feature was so convenient that after using it for so long on other keyboards I can't concentrate on music anymore with my PA1X Pro. Now it's more about how do I make this style quickly and get it over with.
Anyway..
In general it feels to me like Korg didn't and doesn't really want to invest much in this PA line of keyboards, because I think there's not as much a demand for them as for their other workstation products. The OS in all of them (PA1X, 2X, 800) feels very unfinished, and not only in terms of stability (PA2 & 800). The user interface is far from being streamlined and the most common sense features are missing. It's such a shame, because these keyboards sound great! There is so much potential in them, but... oh, well. It looks like in many ways they are trying not to repeat what has already been done (maybe it's a patent thing) by implementing features in a "reinvent a wheel" kind of a way, putting them in different inconvenient places in the OS or not implementing them at all. What's left is only a potential for a great instrument...
That's just my opinion.
Thank you once again!
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Rob Sherratt
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I've read your thread Rob about PA development. Great effort!
I do understand other people's protest though. I'm sure you agree at least with some of their objections. Ideally it would definitely be Korg's responsibility to provide what their loyal customers want, which is first and foremost a stable and fully functional operating system for an instrument that costs money...
Question: If this deal were to happen, aside from content manipulation do you think it would be possible to request and actually implement new features in to the OS of the keyboards?
I do understand other people's protest though. I'm sure you agree at least with some of their objections. Ideally it would definitely be Korg's responsibility to provide what their loyal customers want, which is first and foremost a stable and fully functional operating system for an instrument that costs money...
Question: If this deal were to happen, aside from content manipulation do you think it would be possible to request and actually implement new features in to the OS of the keyboards?
I dont think that any manufacturer of keyboards has had this level of direct contact with the end user (Customer) ever before. Rob has become a very strong ambassedor for the PA Series. If he is suggesting the idea to the forum , you can be sure its because it is a very real and viable prospect and remember that Paolo from Korg monitors this forum directly himself.