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shabudua · Post by **shabudua** » Thu Apr 24, 2008 3:20 pm

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meatballfulton · Post by **meatballfulton** » Thu Apr 24, 2008 4:58 pm

Nope, changing programs makes the sound drop out.

You can swap timbres within a program, but I've never tried that to see if there is a dropout in the other timbres.

It is weird that modern synths still do this...my old Ensoniq SQ-80 would not only switch patches gracefully, but any held notes using the old patch would continue to play! That's 20 year old technology, what's the excuse

shabudua · Post by **shabudua** » Thu Apr 24, 2008 6:47 pm

Thanks, good to know. That was my guess; I only wondered because, surprisingly, my old EMX-1 can take program changes completely in stride.

As far as changing timbres mid-song, does anyone know if that executes invisibly? That would probably be good enough, although I'll be limited to the step sequences, arpeggiators, master effects, etc. in the current program.

slammah2012 · Post by **slammah2012** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 6:45 am

meatballfulton wrote:Nope, changing programs makes the sound drop out.

You can swap timbres within a program, but I've never tried that to see if there is a dropout in the other timbres.

It is weird that modern synths still do this...my old Ensoniq SQ-80 would not only switch patches gracefully, but any held notes using the old patch would continue to play! That's 20 year old technology, what's the excuse

MY GUESS IS when you change Multis....you will get a either a dropout.....or a hanging midi note....
Multi's are the key here.....on Quadra synths, you don't get dropouts in program change mode,because gosh darn it, you are working within a constant midi channel....which means, note off will happen in the same channel once you lift a key in the changed program...the only thing that changes is the new FX chain gets introduced to the old patch.........but not in multi mode where you configure your own midi split points and other midi channel configurations.....there is no guarantee, you will faithfully retain the consistant midi footprint from other patches.....so either you get left with notes hanging due to no note off events when the midi range disappears, or the board manufacturer sets up an "all notes off" event to prevent this midi error from occuring when changing from multi to multi....

20 year old technology, like our SQ80s do those sweetthings,because we are working within the same midi channel.....the individual osc chips on the SQ 80 will retain he former program until it gets a note off command......thus it is possible to have 8 seperate voices playing different notes of a chord(like with the sq80s onboard realtime sequencer)the SQ80 does not have a multi mode with midi splits.....it only has the multitimbraelity the SEQ gives it, although the PolyAT and the uniqe "sustain pedal vs held" feature with pitchbend rules....
The Radias is Multi Timbral ....there is no guarantee you will retain the same midi split zones or dual polyphony or the same midi channels on the 4 timbres from multi patch to patch.....there in lies the muting during those multi-program changes.......IMHO

It is quite possible the mute will not happen if the timbre is changed without changing the Multi channel.....I have not explored this....as it is something using the sub menu in edit mode or an external controller......I know you can scroll the pcm bank while holding notes down....... I use that feature with the modulation sequencer....

shabudua · Post by **shabudua** » Wed May 07, 2008 4:38 pm

Has anyone actually tried switching timbres mid-song, as described on page 147 of the manual? It's sort of an esoteric function, but if it really works without a hitch it would make the radias much more useful to me.

flow matters · Post by **flow matters** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 5:51 am

The Radias does not change individual timbres smoothly

There is no carry over of sounds from one to the next. Furthermore, when you change one timbre it will halt any sequences or arpeggios you may have going in other timbres

So... that really kind of suxxx. UPDATE!!!!

X-Trade · Post by **X-Trade** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 6:20 pm

i swear I tried it the other day and it ran fine switching timbres. well, not sure about the sequencers but i think it will swap out timbes, stopping the timbres but others will continue to play.
can't verify this though.

shabudua · Post by **shabudua** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 8:55 pm

It makes sense that switching in a new timbre would shut off the old one, but if switching one timbre messes up the other timbres, it's practically a useless feature.

Timo · Post by **Timo** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 9:12 pm

Unfortunately I really, really dislike that aspect. Changing one timbre stops all the other timbres arp/seqs dead in their tracks if they're playing in the background. Meaning you have to manually fire them all up again every time you change a timbre. Definately not good for live use, or patch browsing, and pretty aggravating for any other use too. Think Korg dropped the ball on that one.

funkstone · Post by **funkstone** » Tue Jun 17, 2008 3:09 am

Yes KORG PLEASE FIX THIS IN AN UPDATE

slammah2012 · Post by **slammah2012** » Tue Jun 17, 2008 4:48 am

funkstone wrote:Yes KORG PLEASE FIX THIS IN AN UPDATE

I have to agree.....

botega · Post by **botega** » Tue Jun 17, 2008 4:11 pm

agree, this fix must be done and in addition to this very important fix, how great would it be if we could seamlessly switch between programs and make program chains

am i dreaming? can this feature be added to an OS update?

ok we have to call our seviour, hmhmhmmmmm......

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shabudua · Post by **shabudua** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 10:17 pm

The RADIAS demo songs obviously weren't made with only one program each, so apparently smooth switching/pattern chaining isn't that far-fetched...

CharlesFerraro · Post by **CharlesFerraro** » Mon Feb 22, 2010 10:24 pm

Has there been any word on this topic since? It really needs to be dragged back from the pits of page 15. Is it even possible for an OS update to fix the dropout issue? It would dramatically expand the use of the Radias as a workstation if you were able to chain sequence patterns together with the click of a footswitch.