KARO KGP 1 - Steinway and Fazioli - magnificent

sebbytriton · Post by **sebbytriton** » Sun Oct 19, 2008 6:46 pm

How does I can choice the right piano for me KCP1 or 2 or 3 ?

I'm searching for a strong piano to play world music (eg. Peter Gabriel).
I don't play classical music.

Kevin Nolan · Post by **Kevin Nolan** » Sun Oct 19, 2008 6:48 pm

Sina172 wrote:
Daz wrote:
Sina172 wrote:I'm in the process of buying FOUR Fazioli's next year when I buy my new custom home.

That's what I said, too when I made that decision, but there's NOTHING like it! It is THE GREATEST piano in the world today!

I have played a Fazioli!

But I think claims of what is the finest or best must also be always be subjective. I agree Faziolo pianos are meticulous; but if I were to play Debussy's Le Cathedrale Engloutie Prelude for example, I's sooner play it on a Bosendorfer since Debussy composed it at a Bosendorfer (and it needs that deep clear, powering bass). Perhaps because of popular trend only through the twentieth century (with the advent of piano competitions) - but Beethoven sounds exquisite on Steinway while arguably a little too brittle on Fazioli; while there can be little dispute that Bach sounds divine on Fazioli. All of this is of course completely subjective.
Then explain this to me: In my research EVERY SINGLE person who has experienced a Fazioli, whether he/she has owned a Bosendorfer almost his/her entire life or the famous pianist who was given FREE Steinway Grand Pianos that went out a BOUGHT a Fazioli out of his OWN pocket, paying ALMOST Retail, or the piano teacher who said she'll NEVER EVER replace her Bosnedorfer Imperial Grand only to realize that after playing a Fazioli for the first time, she ends up REPLACING her Bosendorfer within ONE WEEK! Explain that. Fazioli is anything BUT subjective, in the world of pianos. EVERY person I have talked to that either owns a Fazioli or has played one several times, NOT just once or twice has said that this is THE Piano to own, NO exception. I know this one guy, a VERY good friend of mine who has owned, MORE, than a DOZEN Pianos in his lifetime and I'm gonna name them ALL: from Bosendorfer, to Yamaha, to Bechstein, to Seiler, to Estonia, to Steinway, to Steingraeber, to Bluthner, to Grotrian, to the Kawai EX, to Bohemia, to August Forster, to Baldwin, to Petrof, Young Chang, and Mason & Hamlin. He has owned them ALL in his lifetime. But he was VERY critical. He ALWAYS said, about EVERY SINGLE ONE of those pianos that he owned, that something was missing. There was ALWAYS something he didn't like about those pianos.

Just until less than a year ago, when he played a Fazioli. His first impression? "Well it's good, and I really like the sound, but it's too clean!" The next day he just couldn't get the Fazioli experience out of his head. So he plays his current piano, and funny enough he found EXACTLY what EVERY SINGLE piano he has played and owned was missing that was NOT missing in the Fazioli! Dynamics! The NEXT DAY he places an order on the F278 and just 6 months ago, he bought the F308, too!

You know what he told me about this piano? "This is THE PIANO I have been waiting for my ENTIRE LIFE!" And whats funny is, almost EVERY other person I have talked to that actually owns one, said the same thing!

And it regards to Debussy, Bosendorfer was THE FINEST Piano available at that time. I can GUARANTEE you that if Debussy was here today, and that he had access to a Fazioli, he would be using that instead of the Bosendorfer.

I have nothing against the other companies. It's just that having played a Fazioli now, AFTER experiencing almost EVERY other piano prior to that, I can now CLEARLY identify whats missing and whats not missing.

And how many times have you played a Fazioli? Once or Twice? Or several times to where you actually got used to it?

YOU are THE ONLY person I have ever met that differs from Fazioli to other brands and I understand that it is your opinion, but you think too much!

Sina

Sina172 - what are you doing to me here??

I'm trying to be an honest broker here and let people who might consider these pianos some of my thoughts on them - honest I'm not lying - promise!!

I've honestly played a Fazioli, a Steinway, a Bosendorfer, a Kawai, several Petrofs (black keys too thin - my stubby fingers slip off), various Yamaha's and a Baldwin all several to numerous times - and my beloved Brinsmede (piece of junk but I adore it!!)

While I'm not sure I think any more than anyone; I'll be the forst to agree (and aplogoise yet again) that if it can be said in two words or two hundred, I'll say it in two hundred - sorry!!

Thanks ot Karo for clarifying the Fazioli 2 - that completely explains the issue. I retried Fazioli 1 today and (Sina127 - don't hit me - ) - it's bloody gorgeous.

I heartily recommend these Karo pianos (and I still have KGP3 to look forward to the first chance I get

).

cheers,
Kevin.

MrT-Man · Post by **MrT-Man** » Sun Oct 19, 2008 7:34 pm

Just to second sebbytriton's request, I'd appreciate any thoughts as to which of the 3 Karo discs is "the best"... or is it a matter of taste, and very hard to pick a clear winner?

peter m. mahr · Post by **peter m. mahr** » Sun Oct 19, 2008 8:34 pm

sebbytriton wrote:How does I can choice the right piano for me KCP1 or 2 or 3 ?

I'm searching for a strong piano to play world music (eg. Peter Gabriel).
I don't play classical music.

Peter Gabriel used a lot Yamaha's CP-70 (eg "red rain") and if I remember right with a Roland chorus (Dimension D?). Of course there are other tracks as "here comes the flood" in which he played a "real" Piano and I guess it was not a Fazioli

peter

Kevin Nolan · Post by **Kevin Nolan** » Sun Oct 19, 2008 8:46 pm

MrT-man:

They are all excellent. It is a matter of taste.

I'd say (perhaps a bit superficially?) - that KPG1 is the first to go for - since the Steinway is on it. That's arguably the most well known piano sound so will sit well with general expectations for the player, clients and audience. While the Steinway Grand Pianos are great, and I'm not really a Rock keyboard player, the Steinway rock pianos, excuse my language - kick ass.

Then there is Fazioli 1 - (in my opinion only) the classiest piano of the lot but perhaps not the most generally applicable.

But given the availability of dedicate packages with Steinway usually most popular, KGP2 with its Bosendorfer and Bechstein surely add to any arsenal and are therefore excellent for choice. The Bosendorfer is particularly full of character and (for me with a little negative eq around 480 hz) sounds the most natural of all.

But you're probably going to get a different opinion from another user. Sorry I can't be more helpful.

Kevin.

Kevin Nolan · Post by **Kevin Nolan** » Sun Oct 19, 2008 8:49 pm

peter m. mahr wrote:
sebbytriton wrote:How does I can choice the right piano for me KCP1 or 2 or 3 ?

I'm searching for a strong piano to play world music (eg. Peter Gabriel).
I don't play classical music.
Peter Gabriel used a lot Yamaha's CP-70 (eg "red rain") and if I remember right with a Roland chorus (Dimension D?). Of course there are other tracks as "here comes the flood" in which he played a "real" Piano and I guess it was not a Fazioli

peter

Karo have just updated their excellent CP70 with a new program with chorus on it, making it ideal for what you want - totally Genesis and Peter Gabriel.

sebbytriton · Post by **sebbytriton** » Sun Oct 19, 2008 9:09 pm

Yesterday I was listening the song "don't leave" from the album "UP".
I love this piano.

The CP-70 but it's not a acoustic piano, what song are you thinking from Peter Gabriel ?

oasys76 · Post by **oasys76** » Sun Oct 19, 2008 10:40 pm

Hi Fellas,

In my opinion of real pianos the favorit is..

1. Schimmel
2. Bechstein
3. Steinway

E-pianos

1. CP-70
2. Rhodes1
3. Wurlitzer

This 3 E-pianos are totaly stunning!!!!
Belive me guys

Cheers,

oasys76

medusaland · Post by **medusaland** » Sun Oct 19, 2008 11:00 pm

peter m. mahr wrote:
sebbytriton wrote:How does I can choice the right piano for me KCP1 or 2 or 3 ?

I'm searching for a strong piano to play world music (eg. Peter Gabriel).
I don't play classical music.
Peter Gabriel used a lot Yamaha's CP-70 (eg "red rain") and if I remember right with a Roland chorus (Dimension D?). Of course there are other tracks as "here comes the flood" in which he played a "real" Piano and I guess it was not a Fazioli

peter

Hi Peter,

you know that i have a Dimension D.
When I sampled the CP, I used the popular Dimension Preset 4, but only a little Bit

Peter Gabriel used the Boss CE-3 chorus!

Take care,

Kurt

Kevin Nolan · Post by **Kevin Nolan** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 2:08 pm

Hi Kurt -

Thanks for all your amazing pianos and no doubt incredibly dedicated and meticulous work. These pianos are just wonderful.

I was wondering, however, if you had any thoughts on the Fender Rhodes and why it sounds a little disjointed at greater velocity levels?

I notice another poster saying he loves Rhodes 1 - so perhaps I'm doing something wrong? Actually - in trying out the different pianos, I'm not deleting the previous programs in User-A from the previously tested piano - so I'm wondering if I' m installing incorrectly and hence inheriting the program velocity levels of the previously installed pianos? It seems unlikely, but I am noticing an issue just with the Rhodes pianos.

Cheers,
Kevin.

MrT-Man · Post by **MrT-Man** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 3:02 pm

Kevin, thanks for the opinions (& thanks to oasys76 as well). I do generally tend to prefer a Steinway sound, with other (PC-based) sample libraries that I've tried.

Here's a question for Karo -- if we buy one of the KPG discs first and then decide afterwards that we want the full bundle, would we get credit on the bundle price for the disc we already bought? I haven't bought any 3rd party sample libraries for the Oasys before, so I want to get a handle as to what it's like (as far as load times, etc) before I spend a few hundred bucks on the full piano library.

medusaland · Post by **medusaland** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 5:17 pm

Kevin Nolan wrote:Hi Kurt -

Thanks for all your amazing pianos and no doubt incredibly dedicated and meticulous work. These pianos are just wonderful.

I was wondering, however, if you had any thoughts on the Fender Rhodes and why it sounds a little disjointed at greater velocity levels?

I notice another poster saying he loves Rhodes 1 - so perhaps I'm doing something wrong? Actually - in trying out the different pianos, I'm not deleting the previous programs in User-A from the previously tested piano - so I'm wondering if I' m installing incorrectly and hence inheriting the program velocity levels of the previously installed pianos? It seems unlikely, but I am noticing an issue just with the Rhodes pianos.

Cheers,
Kevin.

Hi Kevin,

thanks for the compliments...
The Real Pianos are in user A and all the E Pianos in user B!
When you load the Rhodes, please select all the 3 folders PCG, KMP and KSF...
I`am shure you load it correct!?

PS: The CP-70 Chorus Piano I designed it like the original Tony Banks and Peter Gabriel Piano and for me it sounds the same

Best Regards,

KARO Sound Development
medusaland & EWBR

medusaland · Post by **medusaland** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 5:20 pm

MrT-Man wrote:Kevin, thanks for the opinions (& thanks to oasys76 as well). I do generally tend to prefer a Steinway sound, with other (PC-based) sample libraries that I've tried.

Here's a question for Karo -- if we buy one of the KPG discs first and then decide afterwards that we want the full bundle, would we get credit on the bundle price for the disc we already bought? I haven't bought any 3rd party sample libraries for the Oasys before, so I want to get a handle as to what it's like (as far as load times, etc) before I spend a few hundred bucks on the full piano library.

Hi MrT-Man,

before you place your order, please contact us via mail... Then we can get you a credit on the bundle price.

Best wishes,

KARO Sound Development
EWBR & medusaland

peter m. mahr · Post by **peter m. mahr** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 5:28 pm

medusaland wrote:
you know that i have a Dimension D.
When I sampled the CP, I used the popular Dimension Preset 4, but only a little Bit
Peter Gabriel used the Boss CE-3 chorus!

Take care,

Kurt

Hi Kurt,

you are right about the Boss Chorus on Peter's CP-70! Thanks. I know that he was using a Dimension D as well, but now when I read your comment I remember that he once told that he is using a Boss Chorus in an interview.

peter