midi without firewire connection?

vinylwizard · Post by **vinylwizard** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 4:34 pm

Hi there,

I'm new to the forum and interested in getting a zero8. However....I think I intend to use the 08 vastly different to how you guys use it!!

Let me explain...

I have a Roland MV8800 (MPC Like hardware sequencer/sampler) and several hardware synths (evolver, blofeld and future retro revolution). I want to do hardware-only live sets and tracks. At the moment all is good. I have all of the synths going into a tiny very sh*tty sound-lab mixer and then into the MV8800 from which the master out comes.

However my little mixer is nasty - very dirty sound.. so i wanted a bigger (4+ plus) mixer that i can use for these live sets (and for controlling Traktor Pro - which I also want to do - although seperately). I also wanted a good midi-controller because whilst the Waldorf Blofeld synth is wicked it has only a few controls and you have to menu-dig quite a bit to tweak things. It also has no midi-out so you can't record the knob tweaks.

Therefore the Zero 8 I HOPE will be able to be used as both a sound mixer for the synths and to be able to tweak the Blofeld via midi!

so..big question, will the Midi work without the Firewire connection? I realise, I'll have to set up the midi-settings first using the ZeroEdit software, but will it hold these settings without the firewire connections. And, how easy is it to change setttings, so I could change it to play a Traktor set!?

Many many thanks for reading this!

I hope you can answer my quetions!
Geoff

Mr. Bit · Post by **Mr. Bit** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 7:27 pm

vinylwizard wrote: so..big question, will the Midi work without the Firewire connection? I realise, I'll have to set up the midi-settings first using the ZeroEdit software, but will it hold these settings without the firewire connections.
Geoff

Yes, there is a flash memory for the MIDI-settings inside the Z8.

The Z8 has 3 MIDI channels:
1. ONLY for the Editor via FW
2. ONLY for the firewire (FW) connection to a host application (Ableton,...)
3. MIDI in/out (NO MIDI thru) for synth and controller

vinylwizard wrote: And, how easy is it to change setttings, so I could change it to play a Traktor set!?
Geoff

The ZeroEditor is very simple!
(Maybe to simple)

vinylwizard · Post by **vinylwizard** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 4:50 pm

thanks mr.bit!

so, i should be fine to use the mixer the way i want..ie, when you say 3 midi-channels, you mean 3 midi-modes, one of them being Midi In/Out which I will need).

is there a way to switch the template that the flash memory holds without using the zero-edit software. ie. can i switch between my "live set" template and my "traktor" template without using the pc?

Thanks

Lastly, would you recommend the mixer? There seems to be a fair few people here who have problems with it?!

vinylwizard · Post by **vinylwizard** » Tue Dec 23, 2008 9:31 am

also one more thing please..

I read that if you use midi you can't use the internal fx??! Is this correct?

I want to have audio on channels 1-4 and midi on 4-8 to control the blofeld synth..

I want to be applying fx to the audio channels..will this work?!

Many many thanks
Geoff

euklid.fox · Post by **euklid.fox** » Tue Dec 23, 2008 4:43 pm

yup all what you say will work, u can use 4audio tr with fx, and 4 midi tr controlling either computer via fw or hardware via classic midi our, however the midi pots and fader will send the same message for fw and midi out (not independnt)

jose b · Post by **jose b** » Tue Dec 23, 2008 4:52 pm

if you use the midi and audio on a single chanel the fx are limited, there are a few you cant use. I use the zero 8 with my mv8800 and mpc2500 hooked up via midi. Misdemore track was made with the mv routed through the Z8 on with effects http://www.myspace.com/josebee. Also used my korg microx hooked up to the mv.

Peas

jose

Mr. Bit · Post by **Mr. Bit** » Fri Dec 26, 2008 8:41 pm

Hi,
sorry for the delay.
Now, I'm back from my Christmas Holidays... and I'll try to eat nothing for the next 2 weeks!

vinylwizard wrote: so, i should be fine to use the mixer the way i want..ie, when you say 3 midi-channels, you mean 3 midi-modes, one of them being Midi In/Out which I will need).

Yep, one MIDI In/Out that you can use for your external stuff.

vinylwizard wrote: is there a way to switch the template that the flash memory holds without using the zero-edit software. ie. can i switch between my "live set" template and my "traktor" template without using the pc?

No, the only way to switch templates is via FW and the editor.
The editor saves your templates on your PC and only one template could be loaded in the Z8.
But, you can edit the template directly on the Z8 (Not "really" comfortable

).

vinylwizard wrote: Lastly, would you recommend the mixer? There seems to be a fair few people here who have problems with it?!

Hmm, let me say...
I use this mixer since June '08 at my studio and I think the Z8 is out of competition. It is a lot of fun to use it with Ableton Live. You can easily record your bass guitar with the internal effects and cut some beats one the next channel via MIDI.

But there are a lot of bugs in the Z8 and I really hope, that Korg helps their users!

The Z8 is a LIVE TOOL but at the moment my trust is not big enough to use it on stage together with my laptop.

But, don't let me stop you!

greez,
Mr. Bit

(P.S.: Sorry for my English)

Mr. Bit · Post by **Mr. Bit** » Fri Dec 26, 2008 9:10 pm

vinylwizard wrote:also one more thing please..

I read that if you use midi you can't use the internal fx??! Is this correct?

I want to have audio on channels 1-4 and midi on 4-8 to control the blofeld synth..

I want to be applying fx to the audio channels..will this work?!

Many many thanks
Geoff

Hi Geoff! (again)

This is one of the damn stupid bugs at the Z8.
This bug only relates to the send knobs.

You can use the send knobs of the Z8 as a MIDI controller (maybe for Ableton Live send knobs) or as the send knobs for an external and the internal fx.

The Z8 can't different between the "Send knob" as a MIDI controller and the "Send knob" as an audio controller.

That means, the send knobs of the mixer are not independent in MIDI mode and audio mode.

If you move one send knob in audio mode in one channel of the Z8, all send knobs values would be updated! MIDI and audio!!

That implicate, all channels with open send knob becomes the signal of the one knob you turn.

Not very easy to complain, but the quintessence is:
You go crazy if you use audio and MIDI channels at the Z8 in one mix.

Believe me,
I try it out.

vinylwizard · Post by **vinylwizard** » Fri Dec 26, 2008 10:09 pm

hey guys!

Many thanks for your honest opinions! The "send" knob issue is more than a little annoying but hopefully I'll find a work around! Or'they'll update firmware?!

Any way sounds like it should be able to work they way I want..

Jose, suprised to see other MV8800 users..I find them fairly few and far between in anything other than straight up hip-hop!

Merry Christmas guys! I'm defo going on a diet too!!!

Geoff

Mr. Bit · Post by **Mr. Bit** » Fri Dec 26, 2008 10:34 pm

Merry Christmas and a groovy new year!

(Feel like a whale!

)

RufusWhite · Post by **RufusWhite** » Mon Jan 05, 2009 12:24 pm

Mr Bit - could you explain a bit more about your problem with the send fx and MIDI? I don't think I've experienced this - I have channels 1-4 on audio (from Traktor), and 5-7 on MIDI, with the return from my KP3 on 8, and all the FX sends seem to be working as they should?

jose b · Post by **jose b** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 2:15 am

Yeah theres no many mvers around tbh, its a great machine how do you find it?

jayray · Post by **jayray** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 3:30 am

the midi fx issue.........
may be confusing........but try this thread
http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/ ... highlight=

vinylwizard · Post by **vinylwizard** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 10:58 am

hey, thanks for all the info guys..appreciated!

I love the MV..seriously powerful hardware sampler and sequencer..good to see that the recent sound on sound rated it better than the new MPC

I must admit I have moments of doubt about whether hardware is the way to go..I see mates on ableton etc doing stuff with apparant greater ease but then their computer crashes and i remember why i love hardware!

4NDRW · Post by **4NDRW** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 5:14 am

my bandmate and collabolrator has recentlt invested in a zero8

and so far (with the 1.6 update)
its been doing Everything we expected to it to

its F***n great

we want to start doing live industrial/breaky/noisey stuff
and hard electronics

using a mix of software and my virus (possibly an ESX too)
all running through the desk

it seems so flexible and easy to set up

havnt delved too deep into the midi yet tho
mostly been se;perating out tracks to the different audio channels, then f***ing around with filters, levels, mutes and fx in real time

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