Maby a bug

[Stralner]

Programing in polysix I have made changes to the tone ajust settings, but when saving some of the ON/OF buttens are set to OF by default....why?

[danatkorg]

Programing in polysix I have made changes to the tone ajust settings, but when saving some of the ON/OF buttens are set to OF by default....why?

More details would be helpful, such as the specific buttons in question, and step-by-step descriptions of what you're doing and the results you're seeing.

- Dan

[Stralner]

Programing in polysix I have made changes to the tone ajust settings, but when saving some of the ON/OF buttens are set to OF by default....why?

More details would be helpful, such as the specific buttons in question, and step-by-step descriptions of what you're doing and the results you're seeing.

- Dan

Hi Dan

Tanks for looking into it, now this is my issue:

I chose the lac-1 program Leader of trance (polysix)
I go to the control surface page
I select the first 5 settings under the knobs settings
I turn on the first 5 settings
I chose different settings for each of the sub osc,unison and so on
I make the ajustments and save

Now the issue is that when I save the program all of the 5 on/of settings are set to off when they where saved as on...

Basicly this goes for any program I chose, but I can save the settings in combi mode...any reason for this?

[danatkorg]

I chose different settings for each of the sub osc,unison and so on
I make the ajustments and save

And:

Now the issue is that when I save the program all of the 5 on/of settings are set to off when they where saved as on...

Basicly this goes for any program I chose, but I can save the settings in combi mode...any reason for this?

I think that everything is working properly. If you listen to the saved Programs, I think you'll find that your edits have in fact been saved.

Tone Adjust Switches can be assigned to "Absolute" type on/off parameters, in which case the on/off state of the switch directly reflects the parameter. In all other cases, however, the switch stores a single value for the parameter. Switch Off = the Program's stored value. Switch On = an override value.

If you use a switch to edit a multi-state Absolute parameter such as Sub Osc (three states: off, 1 oct, 2 oct), and then write the Program, this happens:

* Press the Tone Adjust switch
-> the parameter changes to match the switch's On value (since the param is the Absolute type)
-> the switch turns On
* Write the Program
-> the Program is saved
-> switch states are updated
-> since the switch's On value now matches the stored param value, On and Off are the same; the switch has no function. So, it's turned off.

I understand why this might be confusing. This would have been made more clear by supporting two values per switch, one for On and the other for Off, instead of just having one value for On. But, this might have made other aspects more confusing, in turn (such as how to specify using the stored value as opposed to an override in Combi mode)...not sure.

In Combi mode, the switch state stays constant, since it does not edit the Program parameter itself. For more on this, see the reference to saving in Combi mode, below.

For more information, see the relevant parts of the Parameter Guide (page numbers are from the latest version, E5):

Saving Tone Adjust Edits (in Program mode) on page 27
Switches 1–16 on page 28
Saving Tone Adjust Edits (in Combi mode) on page 397.

- Dan

[sirCombatWombat]

I understand why this might be confusing. This would have been made more clear by supporting two values per switch, one for On and the other for Off, instead of just having one value for On. But, this might have made other aspects more confusing, in turn (such as how to specify using the stored value as opposed to an override in Combi mode)...not sure.

I think it would be more confusing to try editing a program if there was parameters overwriting the values somewhere else.

[Stralner]

I think that everything is working properly. If you listen to the saved Programs, I think you'll find that your edits have in fact been saved

.

If only it was the fact, the program changes are not saved correctly.
The values are saved, but the when the on/of settings are wrong you do not hear the edits unlees you turn on the swiches. I use the detune setting and clearly you can hear the difference.

When I get back to my studio I will write you the settings in the program and you can see it for your self. It´s not a big issue, but when you save settings you would expect them to be the way you saved them.

[Stralner]

I understand why this might be confusing. This would have been made more clear by supporting two values per switch, one for On and the other for Off, instead of just having one value for On. But, this might have made other aspects more confusing, in turn (such as how to specify using the stored value as opposed to an override in Combi mode)...not sure.

I think it would be more confusing to try editing a program if there was parameters overwriting the values somewhere else.

I totaly agree Sir.. how could one keep track of that

[danatkorg]

I think that everything is working properly. If you listen to the saved Programs, I think you'll find that your edits have in fact been saved

.

If only it was the fact, the program changes are not saved correctly.
The values are saved, but the when the on/of settings are wrong you do not hear the edits unlees you turn on the swiches. I use the detune setting and clearly you can hear the difference.

When I get back to my studio I will write you the settings in the program and you can see it for your self. It´s not a big issue, but when you save settings you would expect them to be the way you saved them.

Yes, please let me know exactly what you were seeing - Program name and number, parameter name and value, etc.

I tried a few experiments, just to verify, and everything seemed to work properly. So, perhaps this is a specific issue....

- Dan

[Stralner]

I think that everything is working properly. If you listen to the saved Programs, I think you'll find that your edits have in fact been saved

.

If only it was the fact, the program changes are not saved correctly.
The values are saved, but the when the on/of settings are wrong you do not hear the edits unlees you turn on the swiches. I use the detune setting and clearly you can hear the difference.

When I get back to my studio I will write you the settings in the program and you can see it for your self. It´s not a big issue, but when you save settings you would expect them to be the way you saved them.

Yes, please let me know exactly what you were seeing - Program name and number, parameter name and value, etc.

I tried a few experiments, just to verify, and everything seemed to work properly. So, perhaps this is a specific issue....

- Dan

I hope it is a specific issue, then it can be solved real easy
I´ll get back to you asp.

[Stralner]

All right now I am back with the beast.

See now I chose user D ( can remember if that is the default LAC-! bank)
I chose theTrance Lead program nr.78
Then I go to the control surface
Then I go to the tone ajust tab

Go to the knobs:

First I set the filter cut off to 9.35 Filter reso to 2.82 filter EG int to 00.00
filter track to 068.9 Vco oktave to 8´ Vco wave to saw pulse with to 8.11
MWP speed to 8.98

Now I go to the swiches:

1. vca mode on
2. sub osc on 1 oct
3. unison on
4. detune on 162
5. atten +3.9
6. of
7. of
8. of

Second row of swiches preset.

slider 1. eg attack 10.00
slider 2. eg decay 3.03
slider 3. eg sustain 10.00
slider 4. eg release 1.34
slider 5. fx mode off
slider 6. fx speed 8.74
slider 7. mg freg 3.94
slider 8. mg level 00.00

master:mg mode/vcf

Now save and now (ON MY OASYS) the swiches turn back to off in the first line.

[danatkorg]

Got it. The switches turning off is the normal part, as described above. You've certainly found a bug, however: Tone Adjust edits to Unison Detune (as well as Unison Thickness and Unison Number of Voices) are not saved in Program mode. All the other parameters should work properly, I believe. I've now entered this into our bug database. Thank you for pointing this out, and I'm sorry for the inconvenience!

Best regards,

Dan

[Stralner]

Got it. The switches turning off is the normal part, as described above. You've certainly found a bug, however: Tone Adjust edits to Unison Detune (as well as Unison Thickness and Unison Number of Voices) are not saved in Program mode. All the other parameters should work properly, I believe. I've now entered this into our bug database. Thank you for pointing this out, and I'm sorry for the inconvenience!

Best regards,

Dan

Well what is perfect right`? Besides I know you guy´s will fix it at some point..it´s not a serius one anyway. Thanks Dan for taking the time for this, I can imagine how buzzy you all are.