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hollywoodjohnny · Post by **hollywoodjohnny** » Thu Sep 25, 2008 8:42 am

Hey everyone! Sorry if this has been posted, but I just got Wavestation, and was wondering if someone could tell me why the Attack on the presets are delayed? If I have a note on the 1st beat of a phrase, it doesnt play when it's supposed to. Lemme know if my description was understandable. Thanks!

bobbybland · Post by **bobbybland** » Thu Sep 25, 2008 3:17 pm

Attacks are working fine here, could it be a midi issue? Which daw host are you using? If you quantize the midi track do you see any difference?

hollywoodjohnny · Post by **hollywoodjohnny** » Thu Sep 25, 2008 5:51 pm

its not really an Attack issue....it's more a latency issue.

Here is a diagram of what it would look like....

1 2 3 4 2 2 3 4 3 2 3 4 4 2 3 4

|x

instead of the note hitting on 1, it hits between 1 and 2

"|" represents where the note has been placed.
"x" represents where the note actually plays

I'm using FL 7 XXL Producer Edition. Polysix works just fine, the only thing is, if there is a note on Bar 1/Beat 1, it doesn't play right away as opposed to being on Bar 1/Beat 2...a latency issue I believe, but no big deal.

dave · Post by **dave** » Thu Sep 25, 2008 10:05 pm

Just to be 100% clear on this: is it only the note on Beat 1 of Bar 1 that's late? Or are all the notes in the track late?

If it's the former, have you inserted any controller or Program Change info into the track at that position? If so, the initial delay is caused by the synth trying to digest that extra info before it can process the Note On.

One way around this is to add an empty bar at the top of the sequence and call it Bar 0 (don't know if FL allows this), then pull the extra info back into that bar so that only the note is on Beat 1/Bar 1.

Another way that may work for you (and again, I don't know if FL allows this) is to hit Pause first, then Play, then Pause again to "unPause."

But if it's all notes that are delayed equally, then it looks like a buffer issue.

Kind regards.

hollywoodjohnny · Post by **hollywoodjohnny** » Thu Sep 25, 2008 10:44 pm

Hey Dave. Yes, its the whole sequence that I have layed out that is not in time. It's all off, not just the first beat of the phrase, the entire pattern is off.

I just went in and lowered my buffer size to 512 from, well....you don't even wanna know the rate it WAS at, =)....and the reason it was so high, is because when I load a project with a handful of VST's, I can't clearly work on anything without it glitching. I'm running 1.25GB of RAM. Do you think I need more? Or is this a processor issue?

Is the MS-20 the controller for the Korg Collection? I see a bunch of CC's everywhere and not sure how to use them. I want to control Mod Wheel and stuff like that

Thanks for your advice. =)

hollywoodjohnny · Post by **hollywoodjohnny** » Fri Sep 26, 2008 12:13 am

Well everything was fine when I lowered my buffer which is now at 11ms, but when I render out a sample of the track, the Arp in Wavestation is off again.

When I solo it in my DAW, it plays fine. Even when it plays with some percussion as well, it still plays clean and in time. This is weird. They need to fix this cuz no other VST that I use has given me this problem before.

dave · Post by **dave** » Fri Sep 26, 2008 12:39 am

OK, well 512 is still pretty spongy. If you could do 256, that's fairly acceptable to most players. And I would say that 1.25 GB of RAM is very definitely on the low side these days.

Remember, your OS, your sequencer, AND all your plug-ins have to run in that space. When things get too tight, the OS will start to write the contents of your RAM to disk to make room for the extra stuff, and when the system needs to access that older stuff, it now has to read it from the hard drive instead of from RAM. S-l-o-w...

Now, how did you render to audio? Did you record in real time into an audio track, or did you bounce? Actually, we're getting into an area here where I can't really help you much because not only do I not use FL, I also don't use a PC – I'm a Mac owner using Digital Performer. So maybe you might be better off asking these questions on the FL forums?

Also, your reference to "the Arp in Wavestation" is confusing – the synth doesn't have a built-in arpeggiator. Are you using a MIDI arpeggiator plug-in in FL? Or are you referring to one of the Wavestation's "arped" presets?

Anyway, here's something worth a try: in FL, disable all MIDI tracks except for the Wavestation. Now lower your buffer as far as you can. Record the MIDI track in real time into an audio track. Any better? Try a bounce too and see how they compare.

Kind regards.

hollywoodjohnny · Post by **hollywoodjohnny** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 12:38 am

Yeah, I have just been bouncing out....not recording. And yes, I meant an Arp preset that I tweaked around alot. I lowered my buffer all the way down and bounced out with just the Wavestation playing the melody that I wrote, and it's still delaying. Believe it or not, my CPU Usage isn't really that high and this should not be happening. This is the only VST that has given me problems of this nature. I don't understand why it's off-beat after bouncing it out. It's not off-beat when I play it in FL. Is there something that maybe I need to adjust within the VST to fix this problem?

I'll try some other things as well til I overcome this problem. I appreciate your help, man. Thanks alot!

dave · Post by **dave** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 1:50 pm

Launch the Wavestation standalone and check the latency settings in the preferences Audio Device panel. Not sure if these affect the synth when it's used as a plug-in and my manual isn't close to hand...

Are you using any DSP card plug-ins, like UAD-1 or Powercore? If so, remove them before bouncing or recording the Wavestation track. Maybe try altering your audio driver's settings too.

Also check FL's automatic delay compensation settings.

Other than that, I can only suggest posting on the FL forum with this problem. As I said, because I'm a Mac/DP user, I don't know your sequencer, I don't know your audio system, and I don't know your operating system.

Good luck with it!

Kind regards.

hollywoodjohnny · Post by **hollywoodjohnny** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 6:34 pm

No, not using any DSP plug-in's. Still trying some other things here. This is still just so odd to me.

Anyways, thanks for all your help Dave. Much appreciated. I'll try and letcha know if I fix this problem.

Deez_Nutz · Post by **Deez_Nutz** » Thu Apr 09, 2009 10:43 pm

Not sure if this has been figured out else where as this is an old post but I am running FL Studio 8 and seem to have figured it out as I had the same problem. In Wavestation select "extra options" (2nd drop menu/arrow on top left). Under "compatibilty" select "use fixed size buffers." This did the trick for me. Hope this helps.