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KARO Team Expansion collaborating with Peter and Guido

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Dear all,

we would like to most cordially thank you for welcoming us in the midst of the OASYS community. Meanwhile, we had the opportunity to work a bit on our recently purchased OASYS 88 :wink: .

Before commenting further on the topics you raised, in particular the FM libs for the OASYS, we believe that it is worth while to introduce ourselves a bit. Let us start with Guido.

Guido Bruck has been with the University of Duisburg, now, University of Duisburg-Essen since 1984. He received his doctorate in electrical engineering (Doktor der Ingenieurwissenschaften, Ph.D. equivalent), specialization in communications technologies in 1989 on source coding, with special focus on image processing. Since June 2000, he has been senior member of the Chair of Communications Technologies (Lehrstuhl für Kommnunikationstechnik, www.kommunikationstechnik.org).

Now coming to Peter. While working his way towards his diploma in Physics (M.Sc. equiv.), Peter has been a freelancer for Yamaha in the time perod of 1985 to 1990. He has been involved in the sound design and workshop presentation of Yamaha products and, in the later stage of his work for Yamaha, he had some influence on the design of new products. In particular, he worked on the TX81Z, the V-50 and the SY series. Since about 1990, he concentrated on his academic and professional carrier in industry, receiving his Ph.D. degree (Dr.-Ing.) in 1993 and his D.Sc. (Dr.-Ing. habil.) in 1996, all in Electrical Engineering/Communications Technologies. After a few years with Siemens Semiconductor/Infineon Technologies as senior director, he joined the University of Duisburg as a full professor in June 2000.

Guido and Peter founded a private biz, IKT, in 2005.

We hope the stuff above was not too boring. In the case you have special questions on what we have been working on in the past two decades, let us know at your earliest convenience.

Now coming to our engagement in the eletronic music domain, again. Having expertise in the technical fields of source coding and sound generation, we decided to broaden our activites. And then we realized that Peter's long-time friend, Kurt Ader, has been involved in the sound design for the superb OASYS. So, we bought an OASYS, resumed our contacts with Kurt, and... now we find ourselves in the middle of a new community.

Thanks again for your warm welcome.

Allow a few words about the libs KFM-1 and KFM-2, Kurt already mentioned. First, a bit about the status. The alpha version has been ready since about a week, we reviewed it quite thoroughly and about an hour ago we completed the beta version. Now, the final quality check will come and with a bit of luck, we will be able to make the lib available on the KARO homepage in a few days.

KFM-1 is Peter's legacy TX816-based lib, pimping up many of the superb sounds that the late Gerd Führs provided some twenty years ago. There are 256 programs and 128 combinations with great strings, great brass, gread basses, great percussions, and more, we believe. The combinations are really reviving the TX816. The set-up we have been using includes an expression pedal, in our case an EXP-2, which we mapped as a Foot Controller (cf. the Global Settings of the OASYS). Somce of the sounds will respond to the FC changes. The organs use Leslie and SW2 for slow/fast rotation. If your into the TX816, we believe KFM-1 is the right choice.

KFM-2 is a compilation of 256 programs stemming from our vast DX sound library, including many own sounds. Most of the sounds have gone through a polishing in the OASYS, however, maintaining their unique legacy DX character.

BTW, KFM-1 and KFM-2 are complementary in many aspects. In particular, KFM-2 has a vast collection of SFX, additional percussion and lead sounds. So, we guess that it will be sensible to think about using boh libs.

Some of you raised the question about Hubertus's sounds. I am afraid that we cannot really recall all the work that Hubertus and many others did on the programming of the DX series. However, we believe that a most prominent piece of work was his grand piano sound, which has undergone many interpretations. Assuming that our memory is right, you will find a feel of these kind of sounds also in the KFM libs.

That's all for the moment.

Looking forward to your comments.

Peter & Guido
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thanx for the infos and welcome ! :D
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Welcome, that sounds very exciting and ensures that we will receive top level sounds from KARO/you. I´m very curious about the new libraries and upcomming projects (... specialization on source coding makes me think of .....) 8)

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Post by peter m. mahr »

Hi Peter & Guido,

thank you for the introduction and welcome! :D

As an TX-816 owner I am really looking forward to your FM sounds. Of course the following question arose - do you see any chance to get some of the GS-1 sounds into MOD-7, too?

Thanks in advance.

peter
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Welcome Peter and Guido to the forums. It is unfortunate that you arrive at a time when there is a bit of discontent at the discontinuation of development on Oasys....but perhaps your contribution to sound development might revive some of us.

I will be interested to hear this FM grand piano and other sounds you provide in set 1 and 2. Hopefully you will have mp3 demo's to allow us to judge the sounds should we wish to buy.

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peter m. mahr wrote:Hi Peter & Guido,

thank you for the introduction and welcome! :D

As an TX-816 owner I am really looking forward to your FM sounds. Of course the following question arose - do you see any chance to get some of the GS-1 sounds into MOD-7, too?

Thanks in advance.

peter
Hi Peter & Guido,
Welcome and thanks for your introduction. Purchasing an OASYS for a primary reason of making sounds for it - that sound very committed and very exciting for all of us users.

I'd like to echo Peter Mahr's suggestion of GS1 sounds if at all possible. I realise the difficulty because you cannot see the programming; but if in any way possible it would be intriguing.

I'm into FM programming a bit and own a DX1, SY77 and SY99. I don't have lots of time for programming sounds but hope to recreate some of the best SY77 and 99 sounds for MOD-7 in the near future. But I'm slow at programming and there's a lot of excellent sounds, so I'd also ask if you could consider looking at some of the very best SY FM and RCM sounds with a view to recreating as a MOD-7 package?

A possibility re. GS programs could be to enquire from Yamaha UK whther it is possible to get hold of original GS1 and GS2 sound design charts to program a DX1 as it also has polyphonic aftertouch; or alternatively to find out if the GS soundset was ever made for DX1/DX5 or even DX7. A good contact in Yamaha Kemble is an exquisite and very friendly engineer called Dusty Miller. But perhaps the best contact would be to track down Dave Bristow, who, although no longer with Yamaha, was integral to early FM programming and who would surely have something to say on this. The product manager in Yamaha Kemble, Peter Peck, might also be a good contact.

Kevin.
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SoulBe wrote:Welcome, that sounds very exciting and ensures that we will receive top level sounds from KARO/you. I´m very curious about the new libraries and upcomming projects (... specialization on source coding makes me think of .....) 8)

SoulBe
:wink: There is a direct link from source coding to EXis...
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billysynth1 wrote:Welcome Peter and Guido to the forums. It is unfortunate that you arrive at a time when there is a bit of discontent at the discontinuation of development on Oasys....but perhaps your contribution to sound development might revive some of us.

I will be interested to hear this FM grand piano and other sounds you provide in set 1 and 2. Hopefully you will have mp3 demo's to allow us to judge the sounds should we wish to buy.

Regards
Billy
Dear Billy,

Indeed the situation is a bit disappointing for all of us. We also believe that there is a chance for teams like us to work on new concepts that might even find their way into the OASYS. So, let's hope for the best.

We wonder whether you had the chance to play a DX7 or DX7II or a compatible TX tone generator with the grand piano sound we were referring to. This might give a reasonably good impression on what to expect.

Best wishes,
Peter & Guido
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PeterJung-IKT wrote:
SoulBe wrote:Welcome, that sounds very exciting and ensures that we will receive top level sounds from KARO/you. I´m very curious about the new libraries and upcomming projects (... specialization on source coding makes me think of .....) 8)

SoulBe
:wink: There is a direct link from source coding to EXis...
I didn´t dare to hope but ... this definetivly saves not only my weekend but keeps me up for a long time :D Herzlichen Glückwunsch und alles Gute für die Zusammenarbeit mit Karo

SoulBe
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peter m. mahr wrote:Hi Peter & Guido,

thank you for the introduction and welcome! :D

As an TX-816 owner I am really looking forward to your FM sounds. Of course the following question arose - do you see any chance to get some of the GS-1 sounds into MOD-7, too?

Thanks in advance.

peter
Dear Peter,

we are glad to learn that you are interested in our work. We will do our best to have mp3's available for a brief audition to allow a first impression. Assuming that you also have Gerd Führs's TX816 voicing, we believe that you already have a good idea about what to expect, at least with the first library.

Regarding the GS-1, we included a quite nice adaptation of one of the GS-1 "e. piano" sounds into KFM-2, similar to the one the Edo Zanki played on Ulla Meinecke's "Die Tänzerin". We compared it with a sample of the orginal sound and believe that it matches quite well. Even the "ensemble" effect preset of the OASYS is quite o.k. to emulate the GS-1.

Regarding other GS-1 sounds, Peter will have to talk to my former colleagues at Yamaha Europe whether they have a hint about how the other GS-1 sounds were parameterized. Frankly, we do not know whether we will be able to trace this piece of information. Anyway, we will do our best. Of course, a more elaborate way will be to take a GS-1 and program the audible sounds. Let's see what we can do about this point. So: there is a way to emulate the GS-1 as a whole, however, it might be pretty cumbersome to go.

Bests,
Peter & Guido
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Welcome and good luck on this new journey! Can´t wait to hear the new libraries. Karo rocks!!! :verycool:
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Kevin Nolan wrote:
peter m. mahr wrote:Hi Peter & Guido,

thank you for the introduction and welcome! :D

As an TX-816 owner I am really looking forward to your FM sounds. Of course the following question arose - do you see any chance to get some of the GS-1 sounds into MOD-7, too?

Thanks in advance.

peter
Hi Peter & Guido,
Welcome and thanks for your introduction. Purchasing an OASYS for a primary reason of making sounds for it - that sound very committed and very exciting for all of us users.

I'd like to echo Peter Mahr's suggestion of GS1 sounds if at all possible. I realise the difficulty because you cannot see the programming; but if in any way possible it would be intriguing.

I'm into FM programming a bit and own a DX1, SY77 and SY99. I don't have lots of time for programming sounds but hope to recreate some of the best SY77 and 99 sounds for MOD-7 in the near future. But I'm slow at programming and there's a lot of excellent sounds, so I'd also ask if you could consider looking at some of the very best SY FM and RCM sounds with a view to recreating as a MOD-7 package?

A possibility re. GS programs could be to enquire from Yamaha UK whther it is possible to get hold of original GS1 and GS2 sound design charts to program a DX1 as it also has polyphonic aftertouch; or alternatively to find out if the GS soundset was ever made for DX1/DX5 or even DX7. A good contact in Yamaha Kemble is an exquisite and very friendly engineer called Dusty Miller. But perhaps the best contact would be to track down Dave Bristow, who, although no longer with Yamaha, was integral to early FM programming and who would surely have something to say on this. The product manager in Yamaha Kemble, Peter Peck, might also be a good contact.

Kevin.
Dear Kevin,

Thank you very much for your warm words. Indeed our prime interest is not only to work on sounds but also to work on synthesis schemes, i.e. on EXis. Let's see whether we find a technical way to get our ideas into the OASYS.

It's great to find you being into FM programming . The SY series were really quite neat. We were happy to be around while they appeared on the market. Peter was even working on one of the SY77 prototypes back in 1989 and early 1990 in Yamaha's lab in London. Since MOD-7 can involve PCM, there seems to be a chance to revive SY in the OASYS. However, we have not yet looked into this aspect a lot. We wonder whether you can give us a link to the SY libs you are referring to.

We will try to find a way to emulate GS-1 sounds in the future. This might, however, be quite cumbersome. We are afraid that there was no DX version of the GS libs.

Getting the sound design charts you mentioned would be terrific. We might have to jointly try, we will go through Yamaha in Rellingen. Definitely, we will also contact Peter Peck.

Unfortunately, we all lost track of Dave Bristow; he used to be a colleague of Kurt Ader a few years ago while Kurt was with Emu. Peter keow Dave while both of them were affiliated with Yamaha, back in the 1980s.
Anyway, let's keep our fingers crossed.

Bests,
Peter & Guido
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SoulBe wrote:
PeterJung-IKT wrote:
SoulBe wrote:Welcome, that sounds very exciting and ensures that we will receive top level sounds from KARO/you. I´m very curious about the new libraries and upcomming projects (... specialization on source coding makes me think of .....) 8)

SoulBe
:wink: There is a direct link from source coding to EXis...
I didn´t dare to hope but ... this definetivly saves not only my weekend but keeps me up for a long time :D Herzlichen Glückwunsch und alles Gute für die Zusammenarbeit mit Karo

SoulBe
Danke. :)
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zolhof wrote:Welcome and good luck on this new journey! Can´t wait to hear the new libraries. Karo rocks!!! :verycool:
Agreed! Take care.

Bests,
Peter & Guido
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Post by Charlie »

Hi Guido & Peter and welcome to KF! :D

I really fell in love with the MOD7-enginge and I'm glad you will contribute to it. However, just went through the new KTC-library yesterday and there are several very nice Mod7-sounds in it. I think Mod7 goes far beyond the original Yamaha-FM-synthesis and would like to see more "new" sounds than replicas of 80's/90's FM. Don't get me wrong - of course I like these too - but I think you should not overlook the additional possibilities the Oasys offers. I know, you won't ... :wink:

(Außerdem irritiert's mich noch immer, wenn ich hier meine Muttersprache gegenüber Deutschkundigen negiere :lol: )
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