Where is Korg Italy???

BasariStudios · Post by **BasariStudios** » Sun Jun 20, 2010 5:05 am

seq wrote: but hey...they must get rid of all the stock before the end of the year right?!

And why wouldnt they? It is a few million bucks project....

Rob Sherratt · Post by **Rob Sherratt** » Sun Jun 20, 2010 5:50 am

When I buy a car I expect at least to discover a mechanism by which to direct the vehicle to respond in accordance with my instructions.

When I buy a top-of-the-line arranger I expect to discover a mechanism by which I can produce and manage my own user arrangements and sounds, and through which I can co-operate and share material with my friends, and thereby promote creativity and a market for arrangements etc.

This capability was never supplied by Korg with the Pa1x, Pa800, Pa2x etc and its omission remains analagous to supplying a car without a steering wheel. Despite many requests to Korg for a steering wheel, it has never been provided. When 3rd parties have tried to build a steering wheel, Korg have obstructed the efforts by declining to provide any details of the mechanism by which the angle of the front wheels may be altered.

I will never purchase (or accept as a "trojan horse") any other arranger or workstation unless the ability to manage my work is present. I urge other musicians to similarly veto any manufacturer's products unless a steering wheel is provided.

I am sure that the Pa3x, Pa4x or whatever will also be a steering-wheel-less vehicle. The simple and basic question "how do I merge two files containing styles and user sounds?" will reveal that there is no steering wheel.

No doubt when and if a new Pa3x or Pa4x is launched there will be a lot of arm waving by the manufacturer and by the music press. Let's face it, when there is no steering wheel, it's all you can do

Regards,
Rob

mrniceneasy · Post by **mrniceneasy** » Sun Jun 20, 2010 9:22 am

Well Rob, if Tyros 4 gives users a 'Steering Wheel' when released then Korg will have to look out for the faithful to desert to the competition. Let's hope that they take note of this and pre-empt what Yamaha may be developing and listen to it's faithful Users requests. The korg has a lot to offer but as you rightly say more could be done to help third party developers achieve their aims and that would be eternally beneficial to Korg. Korg could even make profit out of that under a licencing agreement. We live in hope!

moebrand · Post by **moebrand** » Sun Jun 20, 2010 6:01 pm

Hi Rob and Keith,
Rob you brought very true points and Korg should really care about its countless consumers who use their products by providing them a decent mechanism " updated OS ".
Keith I agree with you " WE LIVE IN HOPE "
Take Care
Moebrand

Post by **Sharp** » Sun Jun 20, 2010 6:23 pm

Good points there Rob.

I also find it bloody strange that the Pa-Series is so different from the Workstations when it comes down to file management. It's nowhere near as straight forward, and I don't see why KORG Italy are even developing an inferior and totally separate system.

The old i-Series were almost a carbon copy of KORG workstations with Arranger functions. Every since the Pa-Series started KORG Italy have just done their own thing and gone down a completely different path from from KORG Inc.

Regards
Sharp.

Rob Sherratt · Post by **Rob Sherratt** » Sun Jun 20, 2010 10:31 pm

Yeah, as everyone knows it's like there are two companies inside Korg fighting it out - Korg USA and Korg Italy. From user's knowledge of the Pa2x and the M3 we know that the two Korg design teams don't co-operate together to design consistent user interfaces or file management systems. Quite the opposite in fact. If Korg USA do it one way, then Korg Italy will take the opposite approach, and vice-versa. It's like the two teams inside Korg are at war together.

How can one small company like Korg afford to develop several different incompatible operating systems and incompatible sound/ sample management systems? And who suffers? The users!

We get half-baked-solutions, incompatible file management systems, incompatible operating systems and almost non-existent hardware and system support. Take the Pa2x and Pa800 for example. BKP files and SET files backed up just before you upgrade the operating system will not load after the OS upgrade has been performed. Actually I lied .. they will load, and then immediately crash the new OS. Korg have known about this for over 3 and a half years and they don't care. Take the M3 and the Pa2x which supposedly use the same sample format "KSC/KMP etc". It's a load of crap. There is no way any multilayer KSC/KMP from the M3 will load on the Pa2x and vice versa. The attention given by Korg to even basic usability requirements and major system failure modes such as these has been zero.

Korg have obfuscated the efforts of 3rd party developers to solve the incompatibilities, and have alienated almost every developer and recording studio who initially had only the best of intentions in supporting Korg products.

So why the hell should I believe any new "TOTR arranger" from Korg will be any different? It won't be. There will still be no steering wheel. Korg will still have ignored everything we said about the need for file management utilities and open file systems. Korg will still ignore us when after the first 10 minutes usage we discover that numerous file handling incompatibilities result in system crashes and RAM corruption.

Regards,
Rob

karmathanever · Post by **karmathanever** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 6:12 am

Hi all

I was informed a few weeks ago that the PA3Xpro was to "soon be released". This comment was from someone in the industry who had been in direct contact with Korg Italy.

OK, your guess is as good as mine - still no words from Korg.
What worries me is that it seems that so many of us are losing confidence. Yam T3 owners will most likely go out and buy the T4 with little hesitation - Yamaha are "on the ball" with dedicated websites, updates, styles, sounds, etc still being developed (OK they cost $$ but at least there is a feeling of continuity from Yam).

If the PA3Xpro was released tomorrow with all the major "fixes", would you jump at it and buy? Or are you going to wait a year or 2 to see if it performs as per spec (incl hardware stability)???

Korg's total silence is of great concern to me right now. PA2Xpro is indeed the best current arranger keyboard but I am now very wary of the future.

Like many others, I am still waiting to get my PA2XPro fixed (LEDs). I have little confidence in using it for performances - so it sits at home and is used just for studio use - this is a waste of a brilliant (and expensive) keyboard for me.

As within any partnership, lack of communication is a potential killer. There are many loyal Korg arranger owners here on these forums and surely others we don't even know about - Korg should not afford to lose us.

Let's see what the new product show this month comes up with!!!
hmmmm....... just seen this:-
http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/ ... 223a366075

Oh well, back to the drawing board.......

Cheers

Pete

Vangelismusic · Post by **Vangelismusic** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 8:01 pm

Maybe KORG thinks just because it used to be good in the past that people only rely on the good name brand that they made for themselves, but from what I see we are starting to lose interest, and if there were no styles or sounds from the previous KORG's I would of never bought one in the first place, HELLO KORG, wake up smell the coffee, bad hardware,software,support? maybe time to take a look at something else?
we will see, but from what I see, the general gigging keyboardist cannot afford to buy a new keyboard every 2-3 years.Gone are the days were we had good paying gigs so we can afford to buy the new toy as soon as it came out.

neverkorgagain · Post by **neverkorgagain** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 10:50 pm

brothers, now u sound like i do

now what shall i write?!

i think KORG have first to keep current customers satisfied, than to release new product, they didnt yet discovered what was the heart of pa800/pa2x problems... first fix all holes than chase for a new customers... i was years back loyal korg customer, i had every possible arranger form korg, but with this last 2 products from arrangers, i think my nickname will be very true...
how u can expect they can release new pa3x if they still didnt have fixed "bugs" on pa800 and pa2x? Should i do that instead of them? No they just are after easy money, thinking we are stupid fans, who hardly wait to get new product.... well sorry KORG, i want reliable keyboard, when i come to gig i dont wanna fear to have ram problems (as i had 3 times on my pa800)..

....for now, i sold pa800, got pa1x again.... untill i earn some money to buy tyros2 (521mb ram) ...

and after all that i still hope, KORG company (if they still are that...) will manage all this crap on pa800 and pa2x, or just say they are sorry, but how things are going... SORRY.. NEVER KORG AGAIN !!!

mrkorg · Post by **mrkorg** » Sat Jun 26, 2010 10:28 am

What a shame it would be if the only OS released was 2.01

Sad to say Korg Italy is not what it used to be, even if they release a PA3X Pro which i doubt they would do before releasing a PA2X Pro Elite, somehow it appears thier only focus is in remaining in hiding for as long as they can.

Perhaps we might here something from Paolo saying he still keeps an eye out fro the forum, but i digress.

ikspeel · Post by **ikspeel** » Sun Jun 27, 2010 8:17 am

I HOPE THERE WILL BE A TYROS4 ON OCTOBER
THEN THERE WILL BE SOON A PA4X
OTHERWISE WE GONE ALL PLAY ON A TYROS 4 I THINK

seq · Post by **seq** » Sun Jun 27, 2010 9:33 am

Korg's oversight is conspicuous
any single product from 2006\7 has been neglected
that goes for all major flagships: M3,Radias,Pa series...
they all got to the point of OS 2.0 and stopped there although there were and there still are recurrent requests and great ideas from users about OS improvments,software developments and sound\style banks
i love Korg and i have in my studio PA2x,Radias,M3 but i lost trust

all three major companies: Yamaha\Roland\Korg should learn from "access music" about their continued support and evolvement for their wonderful flagship synth the Virus TI.

johnsmies · Post by **johnsmies** » Sun Jun 27, 2010 5:44 pm

I for one fail to see why everyone is defending Korg, let alone Korg Italy.
Korg Italy is as bad as Ketron, ghee they're Italian too, must be a coincidence.
Korg have churned out amazing keyboards over the last 20 years but their back up service (apart from third party programming etc.) is lousy and the way they react to individual clients or programmers is very, very poor, to say the least.
In view of the programming that I did recently on the PA-500 and PA-800 I contacted several world wide Korg distributors but they would not even bother to answer to my mail. I know for a fact that both Korg users and music shops here in Holland are about to have a fit if you mention the Korg distributor here in our country. I can only hope that does not hold good for other countries. I guess the only comfort lies in the fact that Ketron and possibly others, have an even worse track record.

John Smies

karmathanever · Post by **karmathanever** » Mon Jun 28, 2010 4:31 am

I don't think we are "defending" Korg - we can't defend them when we know nothing of what is happening. The problem with NO communication is that it promotes speculation and rumours - often unjustified - but how could anyone say our comments are justified or unjustified if there is NO communication from Korg?

Korg are still right up there with the best, if not, THE BEST with products like the M3, Oasys, PA2X etc...

So there is no truth (yet) in any rumours..

PA3Xpro or not?
Korg take over by Casio?
Korg buying Ketron?
Korg dropping the arranger market?
Korg suffering from global financial crisis?
Korg suffering from global warming?

(completely joking of course)

...their silence is now sad compared to what we used to have...
We must also consider that Korg may have changed its policies regarding forum-related communication - but at least they could tell us??

Come on Korg - just a simple message to let us know you are OK - even a blank message

Cheers

Pete

Vangelismusic · Post by **Vangelismusic** » Mon Jun 28, 2010 11:37 am

I don't know how long KORG or any other company can re-invent the wheel?
Take for example the piano, how many models of pianos can a company make? no matter how it looks it's still a piano and you know you gotta have the latest toy, but I don't understand the concept about that? KORG, time for a new survey, we have alot to say!

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