M3 for live perfomance..

[Tester]

Have an M3 and external MIDI keyboard (it is M-Audio Axiom 61).
Need to instant switch parts in a combi (played pads, then go to lead and so on..).
MIDI keyboard transmit at 1 MIDI ch (change it is not a solution - it lasts so long for live perf).
Can I switch active part in combi inside an M3 instead?

[Shakil]

You can copy the COMBIs you need for live performance into Songs. Then use the track select drop down to switch among different parts when using M# keyboard. But this won't work from external MIDI since there is no OMNI mode on M3.

For external MIDI best option is to find a MIDI controller keyboard that lets you change MIDI channel with single key press.

[cminor]

I am working as this:
GCh - global channel set on midi ch 2, external parts to midi ch 1, the pads set to chords on midi ch 3.
this way I have this:
the m3 splitted in 2 (the 1-4 parts as lower, 5-8 to upper)
external set on all keys to parts 9-12, and pads to 13-16.
it can be assigned in other mods, but I simpl use this kind of combinations.
sometimes I have pads with 4 parts, external with only 3, upper-M3 to 6, and lower to 3 parts... it is up to the needs

[Tester]

Thnks for answers.
Will try something..
But maybe there is a some kind of MIDI converter/replicator device still exist in this world..
It can be done with PC/Laptop but it's not so interesting...

[cminor]

for changing patches, you can take a Roland PCR300/500/800 that has buttons and pads that could be programed as patch/program.
I had a PCR 500 and I did that.
On a button or pad you can program Program Change AND CC00 / 32 for transmitting on midi output to the module/midi device.

[kanthos]

Thnks for answers.
Will try something..
But maybe there is a some kind of MIDI converter/replicator device still exist in this world..
It can be done with PC/Laptop but it's not so interesting...

There is. To split one MIDI channel onto multiple MIDI channels, you either want the MIDI Solutions Event Processor or Router, depending on your exact needs.

[BruceL]

yes. you can do that on the M3 and then some with a little preparation and a little help from the yamaha RS7000!!!!!! all you need to do for preparation is match the M3’s global channel “Gch” to match those combis sounds you wish to play live on the keyboard, then......

here’ s where the yamaha RS7000 come in!!!!!

the yamaha RS7000 is a midi sequencer with 16 midi tracks per 16 sections..“sections” is yamaha terminology for saying “pattern” at anytime during your live show you can switch from one of the sixteen patterns to the next..the RS7000 records SYSEX (system exclusive) this allows you to call up & load up korg M3 combis faster compare to when you send a program change, this means no more hiccups or sound clips associated with the M3 insert efx loading time switching from one combi to another is done instantaneously with the yamaha RS7000!!!!!

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but, everything i said is true!!!!!

also,

sections can be used as “intro” “verse” “loop points” “drum breaks” “bridge” “ending” parts of a song or you can set them up whichever way you like they can even be totally different songs ready to be played at the push of a button during your live gig..the yamaha RS7000 is a sick sequencer!!!! plus its got a powerful sampler which can recycle "resample" whatever you put in it and you get yamaha Motif keyboard sounds in it..nope! i do not work for yamie (just a fellow broke musician, lol)...

**by the way you no longer would need to use the m-audio in this setup only the RS and the M3 as master controllers.

[BruceL]

bumptee bump to announce this

[ktippets]

For program changes live you should also investigate using karma scenes. It is somewhat complicated to set up initially, but once you get it you can copy and paste the setup to other combis. Here's the premise: Karma is 'running' but the modules are set up so they aren't doing anything (ie not creating any note or control data). You use the Karma real time performance feature, the mix=group and parameter=run. You have four modules to work with and each module can control any combination of your sixteen programs in the combi. You also have eight scenes so you can get many different combinations of patches. So, the scene change controls the programs changing.

The best thing for me, live, about this approach is that the patch(s) you are playing when you switch scenes keeps playing until you let off the keys and/ or the sustain pedal. This way you don't get any stopping of the sounds as you do when switching in program mode. You do have some limitations in how you set up your effects for the combi, but I find the architecture of the Korg effects to be very flexible in this regard.

If you want to take this one step further and create your setups in sequence mode (still using Karma scenes to change programs) you can use RPPR to send sys ex data to change effects, effects setting and even programs. All this does take some work to set it up, but I have found this to be a fanrastic way to change programs live. I can often get 4 songs worth of patches programmed into one combi.

[EdK]

Hello! I think I have the perfect solution for you. In fact two of them.

Please read the following thread on the MIDIWORLD forum.
http://www.midiworld.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=698

It's rather long but I think you'll learn a LOT like I did.

I spent the past year researching and solving the problem of changing patches quickly.

Ed

[X-Trade]

You don't really need any external device at all.
What many of us do is to create different 'scenes' using empty sequencer setups or combis, and just 'program up' through them in order. Including duplicates if necessary.
I also use a MIDI patchbay with an assortment of MIDI controllers - it looks cooler to be surrounded by keyboards, and it requires me to change combis/songs less as you can set up a different sound on each MIDI keyboard on a different MIDI channel.
Typical setup, I'd have the workstation's main keyboard with a lead sound, and then underneath it I've got a second keyboard which I might have split up with a few sounds, or the whole thing used for a piano sound, etc...

[EdK]

Thanks.. I understand your solution. In fact, I used that approach quite some time ago. In my case, I didn't want to duplicate combis so I could step through them in a pre-determined sequence. I needed a solution where I could dynamically go to specific presets at any time in any order and many times I have very limited space available and don't have room for more than two keyboards.

[_joe_]

You don't really need any external device at all.
What many of us do is to create different 'scenes' using empty sequencer setups or combis, and just 'program up' through them in order. Including duplicates if necessary.

By that do you mean just setting up combies lets say
1-lead combi
2-piano string combi
3-lead combi
4-organ combi
5-piano string combi

and switching by incrementing (using a switch pedal maybe)

or by "scene" you meant using the Karma combi hack chopping the combi into scenes and simply switching scenes to select different timbres predefined?

I think that approach works best, just have the switching delay problem, which is solved using the karma scene technique, but again if i have a 10 layer lead, using the same insert master and total effect is not what i always need to achieve. limitations. a second keyboard is always handy. but better lay all your sounds combies in a list manner and simply increment, exercicing on the changes and getting used to the cut, jordan rudess worked on it and his patch changes is seamless (only cause he worked on it).

[X-Trade]

You don't really need any external device at all.
What many of us do is to create different 'scenes' using empty sequencer setups or combis, and just 'program up' through them in order. Including duplicates if necessary.

By that do you mean just setting up combies lets say
1-lead combi
2-piano string combi
3-lead combi
4-organ combi
5-piano string combi

and switching by incrementing (using a switch pedal maybe)

or by "scene" you meant using the Karma combi hack chopping the combi into scenes and simply switching scenes to select different timbres predefined?

I think that approach works best, just have the switching delay problem, which is solved using the karma scene technique, but again if i have a 10 layer lead, using the same insert master and total effect is not what i always need to achieve. limitations. a second keyboard is always handy. but better lay all your sounds combies in a list manner and simply increment, exercicing on the changes and getting used to the cut, jordan rudess worked on it and his patch changes is seamless (only cause he worked on it).

By 'scenes', I mean simply treating each combi or sequencer song as a seperate 'scene' or 'part' of a song. For example one which has strings and choir, another that has piano, etc.
The main reason I use additional MIDI controller keyboards is to avoid the sound cut problem.

I understand that the KARMA trick may also help to avoid this, but like the multiple keyboard solution, you do start to run into limitations with effects etc. In any case, the M3 has quite powerful effects and you can usually afford to thin them out somewhat. You're always going to have one or the other because most of the reason for the sound cut is the rearranging of effects.

Working in the sequencer instead of the combi mode I find also makes it easier to rearrange the songs/sections for different live sets, and you can start to play around with RPPR, click tracks, and other features....

[_joe_]

Working in the sequencer instead of the combi mode I find also makes it easier to rearrange the songs/sections for different live sets, and you can start to play around with RPPR, click tracks, and other features....

That tip should come in handy, like i always say, new tip = new instrument.
I'll surely experiment with that. thanks