quantize/resolution question in M3 sequencer ???

mystic sAge · Post by **mystic sAge** » Sun Oct 24, 2010 11:06 pm

Does the res. setting quantize the selected midi track POST performance or PRE ?

In other words, do you have to have the resolution setting correct before you record the track ? Or does it do it afterwards while the track is playing ?

Also, when switching between midi tracks in a sequence I notice that the res. setting stays the same. It seems that it should be changing to match whatever setting you last had for that specific midi track, but it does not.

Can anybody enlighten me on this ?

alland · Post by **alland** » Mon Oct 25, 2010 5:01 am

As you see Parameter guide p 200-201

Reso - quantizes realtime playing (also continuous controllers such as joystick data) and then records already quantized data

Quantize menu command "corrects" already recorded data and is more flexible (choose what exactly to quantize etc).

mystic sAge · Post by **mystic sAge** » Mon Oct 25, 2010 9:21 pm

alland,

Thanks! I'm really just looking to quantize ala "drum machine" style where you play the part and then once it plays back it is quantized to whatever setting you set it.

I guess this would be using the res. feature, correct ? Or I guess I could use the Quantize Menu feature and select the entire track, then audition it to see if it is correct ?

Don't have a parameters guide so I am lost on this issue!

X-Trade · Post by **X-Trade** » Mon Oct 25, 2010 9:51 pm

mystic sAge wrote: Don't have a parameters guide so I am lost on this issue!

Then why not download it from the support section on Korg's site?

I think using the res. feature is fine if you want a straight quantized beat. You could also use step entry.

Miggz McFly · Post by **Miggz McFly** » Tue Oct 26, 2010 1:15 pm

does the m3 have a "humanize" function that offsets midi information slightly to resemble human playing?

I know logic pro has this, but i was wondering does korg m3 have it?

alland · Post by **alland** » Tue Oct 26, 2010 1:35 pm

AFAIK M3 Seq does not have that function - just play track yourselves and you get it humanized

However, M3 KARMA GE have "Humanize" parameter (In Rhythm Group Global parameter). You may need KM3 software to access that parameter.

Miggz McFly · Post by **Miggz McFly** » Tue Oct 26, 2010 3:04 pm

alland wrote:- just play track yourselves and you get it humanized

LOL! now that made me chuckle
i really like to use that feature for my drums, and i sequence them in logic anyway. thanks!

georgeinar · Post by **georgeinar** » Wed Oct 27, 2010 10:50 am

by quantizing and using the offset and swing options, you can humanize, or at least make it so it's not exact 16th notes, you can do this selectively if you wish, like only the cymbols etc, this really does help it not to sound too in the box

jg:: · Post by **jg::** » Wed Oct 27, 2010 12:16 pm

Another option for "humanizing" is to play it live, first, with no quantize resolution. Perhaps your timing is not so good. In this case, use the Quantize function, but with a percentage amount. For example, if you set the percentage to 50%, events will be drawn half-way to the quantize point. The part will be tighter than you played it, but not completely 100% metronomic.

jg::

mystic sAge · Post by **mystic sAge** » Wed Oct 27, 2010 8:29 pm

jg:: wrote:Another option for "humanizing" is to play it live, first, with no quantize resolution. Perhaps your timing is not so good. In this case, use the Quantize function, but with a percentage amount. For example, if you set the percentage to 50%, events will be drawn half-way to the quantize point. The part will be tighter than you played it, but not completely 100% metronomic.

jg::

This is EXACTLY how I like to do it on my DAW sequencer !!

So you have to record the performance/track first, and then you have to go to the Quantize page and process it with 50% quantize BEFORE you can hear it back ??

Or do you just set it that way, and then the 2nd time you play it back it will be quantized ??

X-Trade · Post by **X-Trade** » Wed Oct 27, 2010 8:34 pm

mystic sAge wrote: So you have to record the performance/track first, and then you have to go to the Quantize page and process it with 50% quantize BEFORE you can hear it back ??

Or do you just set it that way, and then the 2nd time you play it back it will be quantized ??

The 'quantize' function is a process which has to be applied to a set of notes. In some software this is referred to as a 'destructive edit'. It isn't a realtime process.

georgeinar · Post by **georgeinar** » Wed Oct 27, 2010 11:00 pm

the note that you set when you play is the "pre-" quantizing, which is a bit wooden sounding, like everything will either be eighth notes or 16 notes etc. If you set it to Hi, then whatever you play is recorded in real time with not adjustment to the placement of the notes. The quantize in the sequencer is what you do to a track after it has been recorded. You can listen anytime to the track. If you want to tweak after the fact you quantize using the various options on that screen, including quantizing only certain measures and certain notes of your choosing. I often do that for adding a swing feel to the high hat but not to my drum rolls (which may not be quantized at all if they're good on their own) so I put a swing effect and quantize the high-hat, which could be f#3 or whatever.

mystic sAge · Post by **mystic sAge** » Fri Oct 29, 2010 8:26 am

George,

Thank you! Your explanation really helped alot.

So if i have the Res. feature set to 1/4 notes then it will quantize AS I am playing the track ?

I've been leaving it set to Hi, so I guess my timing must be really good cause things sound pretty dead on.

I'm just so used to drum machine style quantizing where you play live and then when you play the beat back (or it loops) THEN you hear the quantizing.

This (post quantize) is more sophisticated so I will have to really check it out.

BTW do you play your drum rolls on the pads, or do you program them in step seq. mode ?

georgeinar wrote:the note that you set when you play is the "pre-" quantizing, which is a bit wooden sounding, like everything will either be eighth notes or 16 notes etc. If you set it to Hi, then whatever you play is recorded in real time with not adjustment to the placement of the notes. The quantize in the sequencer is what you do to a track after it has been recorded. You can listen anytime to the track. If you want to tweak after the fact you quantize using the various options on that screen, including quantizing only certain measures and certain notes of your choosing. I often do that for adding a swing feel to the high hat but not to my drum rolls (which may not be quantized at all if they're good on their own) so I put a swing effect and quantize the high-hat, which could be f#3 or whatever.

georgeinar · Post by **georgeinar** » Fri Oct 29, 2010 10:46 am

I play my drums totally using the keys, and I just slow the song down if it's quite intricate. I need to practice on the pads but I've just not gone that direction yet. And I never do 'step' it is just too esoteric for me.