EDITING SOUNDS IN A SET

[melka_ashur]

Hello everyone,

I have several oriental sets downloaded, but their sounds are not very well organized (the same instruments are not all located together in the set) and also different sets have better or worse sounds.

So my plan was to use the "MAKE A NEW SET" option, to take different sounds from different sets and put them in order so that all the different instrument sounds, are located in the set within their own instrument family (I.E. all Ney's together, as well as generally all woodwinds together).

I then went to load this new edited "MASTER" set, which takes sounds from a variety of sets, but now when I choose sounds to play, many of them are empty, and make no sound when playing, whereas they did have sound when I was on their origonal set.

But if I moved a sound to a new set, shouldn't the sound still play? Any ideas how I can get around this problem? It is possible to take sounds from different sets and make a new, organized set with all the best sounds from different sets right? Am I going about it wrong perhaps? PLEASE HELP.

[Sam CA]

But if I moved a sound to a new set, shouldn't the sound still play? Any ideas how I can get around this problem? It is possible to take sounds from different sets and make a new, organized set with all the best sounds from different sets right? Am I going about it wrong perhaps? PLEASE HELP.

If the sound is refering to a sample location that's empty, you will not get any sound of course. So you have to go back to the original set, get a pen and paper, and write down the name and the location of the sample associated with the user sound you want to transfer to your master set. Then, in your master set, you must import those samples from the original set. yes, it's very laborious. Hopefully , Korg has had enough complaints about this, and will release a software for their upcoming keyboards...

Edit: Oh,i forgot all about Effects too. You gotta pay attention to those as well. Especially, if they've been tweaked by the programmer. So you must also apply the same effects (and their parameters) to the sound, if you want to reproduce exactly the same sound in the master set.

[melka_ashur]

Thank you for your reply Sam.

I was just searching through old posts, and I did find one with a similar concern, where the same response as yours was given, but I still have a couple questions.

1. I think what you mean is that if I have a sound called ZURNA in set 1 in user slot 1, then when I want to make a new set (MASTER SET) then I have to save it to User Slot 1, in the new set as well?

2. What if SET 1 has Zurna at User Slot 1, but then another Set, call it SET 2 has another sound, say MEY, which I want... then wouldn't I have to save both to the same slot? But i cant.

3. Another problem is also then that because the sounds have to stay in the same user slot as their original set, then it would be impossible to arrange all Zurnas or all Meys together (all similar sounds) together in the set, like have ZURNA 1 and Zurna 2 and Zurna 3 together in the set together. It would just stay unorganized like in the original set, right?

4. The weird thing is that when I load the MASTER Set, most of the sounds DO work, and not all the working sounds are assigned to the user slot where they were found in with their original set?

It may be important to mention, that when I'm loading the MASTER set, I'm ONLY loading the SOUND set, and nothing else... I thought I could deal with combining SOUNDS sets seperately from STYLE SETS, but from what I'm reading, it seems they are connected, because the STYLES refer to SOUNDS in their specific user slot, so if I'm using a style which doesn't have the refered to sound in the same user slot, then it will not work.

[Sam CA]

Thank you for your reply Sam.

I was just searching through old posts, and I did find one with a similar concern, where the same response as yours was given, but I still have a couple questions.

1. I think what you mean is that if I have a sound called ZURNA in set 1 in user slot 1, then when I want to make a new set (MASTER SET) then I have to save it to User Slot 1, in the new set as well?

2. What if SET 1 has Zurna at User Slot 1, but then another Set, call it SET 2 has another sound, say MEY, which I want... then wouldn't I have to save both to the same slot? But i cant.

3. Another problem is also then that because the sounds have to stay in the same user slot as their original set, then it would be impossible to arrange all Zurnas or all Meys together (all similar sounds) together in the set, like have ZURNA 1 and Zurna 2 and Zurna 3 together in the set together. It would just stay unorganized like in the original set, right?

4. The weird thing is that when I load the MASTER Set, most of the sounds DO work, and not all the working sounds are assigned to the user slot where they were found in with their original set?

It may be important to mention, that when I'm loading the MASTER set, I'm ONLY loading the SOUND set, and nothing else... I thought I could deal with combining SOUNDS sets seperately from STYLE SETS, but from what I'm reading, it seems they are connected, because the STYLES refer to SOUNDS in their specific user slot, so if I'm using a style which doesn't have the refered to sound in the same user slot, then it will not work.

Ok, First of all, you have to load the desired sets one by one, and locate the sounds/styles that you want to combine. After you identified all thsoe, then you load your master set .

Let's say Zurna 1 in original set was in User Slot 1, but you want it to be in User slot 16. When you import the sound to the new location, I believe the sample associated with it, gets imported too, but if you also import a style that was using Zurna 1, now will use whatever sound you have loaded in User Slot 1. So now, you need to go to Style record mode, and assign that track to User slot 16.
You can import any sound from any style, and organize them all in your master set in any location you want, but you'll have to take note from all of the changes that you're making, because if you change the original location of your sound, then you'll have to reassign stuff to their new location. Sounds and styles are connected, but you're not stuck with the original mapping.

[melka_ashur]

I see what your saying. I did load each set, and played the different sounds, and thats how I made a new list for a master set, based on which sounds I liked. But after loading the master set, some didn't work. I didn't try to change the tracking in each style, which seems like the next set. but I am also curious, if it is because of the TRACKING in the STYLE then it seems like if I went into SOUND PLAY mode, or also in one of the original styles (the American ones that were preloaded on the korg) then the sounds would all play right? Because sound mode has no style with preset tracks linking to user slots, and also the american styles were programmed before the new sounds from the sets even were available, so no way could they be linked to the oriental sounds.

If they still don't work in these modes, I think then the problem may be somthing different... not sure what.

By the way, something interesting is... I saw that Zurna 1 for example wasn't working on the master, so I went back to the original set, and I RE-LOADED ZURNA 1 into the SAME USER SLOT on the master set, and after loading the master set again, this time Zurna 1 worked. So it means the problem isn't the slot, but maybe something else. Not sure... I wish KORG would address this problem, because it would enable better sets to be made, since most of the add-on sets are lacking organization, and many of the sets THEMSELVES have missing sounds in them... which is also weird.

[Sam CA]

I would do it this way. Let's say you have sets: A-B-C and D. You want to combine all these into a master set. Choose one of these sets that has the most of your favorities and call that your master set. (for instance set B is going to be the one) . Load it, and clean it up from all unwanted stuff. Then, look at your notes from each set, and start importing one by one. That's how you can build your master set over time. Load only sounds and styles from A, C and D, and nothing else. Otherwise, things will not work again.

[melka_ashur]

Yea I tried that before. didn't work very well, thats why I started a master set from scratch. And the other problem is, if I take a preexisting set like B, it will be disorganized, it will have some zurnas scattered around user bank 1, and some scattered around user bank 2 not together, and one of my main goals was to have all the sounds organized by instrument and family. Well I will keep trying, i think this problem will not be solved today, seems to be a problem with the programming inside the keyboard.

[BasariStudios]

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