Auto Tune?

Rosen Sound · Post by **Rosen Sound** » Tue Dec 14, 2010 9:09 am

Just posted another thread 5 minutes ago, but this is a seperate question!

Can i auto tune with my radias? i can talk into the patch ;modo vocoder; and auto tune it in some sorts.. but is there a way to just... auto tune?

xmlguy · Post by **xmlguy** » Tue Dec 14, 2010 11:46 am

Nope, you can't autotune with Radias or any other hardware VA synth.

Autotuning and vocoding are completely different effects, even though they both are common vocal effects. Autotune shifts the pitch of an external audio source. Vocoding applies the frequency band levels of a source to a carrier, which doesn't shift the pitch of anything, as the different pitches you hear are generated by the tones of the synth based on the keys you press on the keyboard.

Autotune is the brand name of a product. The technical term is called pitch correction. There are hardware products that do pitch correction that aren't Autotune brand products, made by other companies such as TC-Helicon, Digitech, Boss, Roland, and Electro-Harmonix.

http://www.zzounds.com/cat--Harmonizers ... sors--2889

Synthoid · Post by **Synthoid** » Tue Dec 14, 2010 12:00 pm

The use of autotune is discouraged.

xmlguy · Post by **xmlguy** » Tue Dec 14, 2010 12:26 pm

Ah, but you can use Autotune for good or for evil. The Cher/T-Pain effect is the evil that is discouraged. This effect is a misapplication of the pitch correction to do an instant pitch shift with no delay or glide, which wasn't even considered a reasonable use of the product when it was first published.

Moderate use of pitch correction can be used for good. There are many artists who can actually sing who need a little assistance now and then, particularly when factors out of their control come into play, like a difficult monitoring system where the artist can't hear themselves well enough to keep in good pitch.

I don't even consider the T-Pain effect to be entirely evil. It just needs to be put into the proper historical context. It is Rap Yodeling.

tpantano · Post by **tpantano** » Tue Dec 14, 2010 7:54 pm

xmlguy wrote:Ah, but you can use Autotune for good or for evil. The Cher/T-Pain effect is the evil that is discouraged. This effect is a misapplication of the pitch correction to do an instant pitch shift with no delay or glide, which wasn't even considered a reasonable use of the product when it was first published.

Moderate use of pitch correction can be used for good. There are many artists who can actually sing who need a little assistance now and then, particularly when factors out of their control come into play, like a difficult monitoring system where the artist can't hear themselves well enough to keep in good pitch.

I don't even consider the T-Pain effect to be entirely evil. It just needs to be put into the proper historical context. It is Rap Yodeling.

wow xmlguy. there are plenty of people who think the complete opposite of you. some think auto-tune is fine if you acknowledge you're using it simply as an effect, but think its a sin to use as a way to fake singing. At least with t-pain/cher, the sound acknowledges and embraces its artificialness- many consider simple pitch correction as cheating.

and then of course there are the people who think both are sins, and finally people like me who couldn't care less what it is or isn't used for

X-Trade · Post by **X-Trade** » Tue Dec 14, 2010 8:45 pm

tpantano wrote:some think auto-tune is fine if you acknowledge you're using it simply as an effect, but think its a sin to use as a way to fake singing. At least with t-pain/cher, the sound acknowledges and embraces its artificialness- many consider simple pitch correction as cheating.

I am of this opinion. Does that make me evil?

xmlguy · Post by **xmlguy** » Tue Dec 14, 2010 9:12 pm

tpantano wrote:
xmlguy wrote:Ah, but you can use Autotune for good or for evil. The Cher/T-Pain effect is the evil that is discouraged. This effect is a misapplication of the pitch correction to do an instant pitch shift with no delay or glide, which wasn't even considered a reasonable use of the product when it was first published.

Moderate use of pitch correction can be used for good. There are many artists who can actually sing who need a little assistance now and then, particularly when factors out of their control come into play, like a difficult monitoring system where the artist can't hear themselves well enough to keep in good pitch.

I don't even consider the T-Pain effect to be entirely evil. It just needs to be put into the proper historical context. It is Rap Yodeling.
wow xmlguy. there are plenty of people who think the complete opposite of you. some think auto-tune is fine if you acknowledge you're using it simply as an effect, but think its a sin to use as a way to fake singing. At least with t-pain/cher, the sound acknowledges and embraces its artificialness- many consider simple pitch correction as cheating.

and then of course there are the people who think both are sins, and finally people like me who couldn't care less what it is or isn't used for

My message was in jest. I like AutoTune the News better than the News itself. I thought the Rap Yodeling line at the end would give that away.

The biggest problem with Autotune is the overuse of it. When everyone does it, it becomes old, quickly. There's already a strong reaction to it occuring in the music industry.

axxim · Post by **axxim** » Wed Dec 15, 2010 12:50 am

xmlguy wrote: The biggest problem with Autotune is the overuse of it.

That is my opinion too. Since I love deeply all effects that transform my voice in something that sounds entirely different to it (my voice), auto tune is boring. I have tested some effects with the pitch correction on my cubase and there are some settings that sound good but it has nothing to do with pitch correction at all.

In my opinion, a very good (and fortunately rarely used) example of voice transformation is that in "Change" from Mind In A Box (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRcXVZFl ... re=related). Even if the second voice (the higher one also found on their Title "8-bits", "I Love 64" and others) seems to be up-pitched I am still trying to find out how they make that voices.

One day, when all vocals are perfectly clean and auto-tuned, some one will launch an "humanizer"

tpantano · Post by **tpantano** » Wed Dec 15, 2010 12:59 am

axxim wrote:
xmlguy wrote: The biggest problem with Autotune is the overuse of it.
That is my opinion too. Since I love deeply all effects that transform my voice in something that sounds entirely different to it (my voice), auto tune is boring. I have tested some effects with the pitch correction on my cubase and there are some settings that sound good but it has nothing to do with pitch correction at all.

In my opinion, a very good (and fortunately rarely used) example of voice transformation is that in "Change" from Mind In A Box (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRcXVZFl ... re=related). Even if the second voice (the higher one also found on their Title "8-bits", "I Love 64" and others) seems to be up-pitched I am still trying to find out how they make that voices.

One day, when all vocals are perfectly clean and auto-tuned, some one will launch an "humanizer"

I heard a similar sound to Change at a Melodyne demo; I believe the representative removed all of the vocals harmonics, leaving only the fundamental pitch, or something like that. If you took that sound, and layered it with some sort of robotic sound like a vocoder with not too many low frequencies, it'd sound similar.

DaniH · Post by **DaniH** » Wed Dec 15, 2010 6:12 am

Why would anyone use auto tune?? If you have the R3 or Radias or anyother hardware vocoder you can get much better results from them. I wish auto tune would F**king die. SOrry for the hostility but I hate auto tune.

Synthoid · Post by **Synthoid** » Wed Dec 15, 2010 2:16 pm

xmlguy wrote: Rap Yodeling.

That says it all.

Pastor-of-Muppets · Post by **Pastor-of-Muppets** » Wed Dec 15, 2010 2:18 pm

DaniH wrote:Why would anyone use auto tune??

because a vocoder might sound interesting - whereas autotune sounds like everyone else in the charts

apparently some people think that's a good thing

xmlguy · Post by **xmlguy** » Mon Dec 20, 2010 4:21 pm

Since Autotune can keep talentless singers in tune, why not go to the next step: replace the talentless singer entirely like so:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dopx17w2 ... re=related

Ya don't have to pay a virtual singer royalties, and she has a better chance of avoiding embarassing cell-phone snapshots, home videos, meltdowns, drug/alcohol rehab, and other antics.

meatballfulton · Post by **meatballfulton** » Mon Dec 20, 2010 6:47 pm

Pitch correction has it's place. I own Melodyne and use it to tweak not only vocals but slightly out of tune instruments.

Certainly for quick and dirty recordings...hobbyists, demos, etc... it's more cost effective to touch up a good take with a few pitch clams than do another 100 takes trying to get the pitch 100% in the first place. It's the same as most digital recording tools, it saves time and time is money.

I do not use it for robotic vocal effects.

tpantano · Post by **tpantano** » Mon Dec 20, 2010 8:13 pm

xmlguy wrote:Since Autotune can keep talentless singers in tune, why not go to the next step: replace the talentless singer entirely like so:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dopx17w2 ... re=related

Ya don't have to pay a virtual singer royalties, and she has a better chance of avoiding embarassing cell-phone snapshots, home videos, meltdowns, drug/alcohol rehab, and other antics.

End of your quote is what keeps celeb news magazines in business, and I'm fairly certain they're in league with the celeb producers.

And that being said, sometimes it's nice to see flesh and bone instead of pixels. It gets old after a while.