A few answers

[McRos]

No, it's me, forgot the word NOT . So apologies from me.

But you are rude cello, no company is perfect, as nobody. Maybe they have learned.

Yeah, they've learned how to screw the customers. Thanks very much Korg.

[Scott]

Scott, I'm very well aware how it works when you're switching combis in COMBI mode As I said, I've been using this for years. Setlist is something else. You have a "virtual" (list) and "buffered" (seamless) way of changing combis, programs, etc. That's all fine and cool. But when you change a patch or a combi in Setlist mode, it either sends MIDI prog change message based on COMBI/PROG user selects, or by the number of the patch in the setlist. Which is what I'm asking. There's a difference.

I have a feeling you are making it more complicated then it is. The entries on a set list should perform like "aliases" on the desktop of a Mac or "shortcuts" on the desktop of a Windows PC. Calling up a combi from the set list should do the exact same thing as if you had called up that combi some other way. If it includes patch changes for external devices, they should be included.

[vEddY]

The entries on a set list should perform like "aliases" on the desktop of a Mac or "shortcuts" on the desktop of a Windows PC. Calling up a combi from the set list should do the exact same thing as if you had called up that combi some other way. If it includes patch changes for external devices, they should be included.

"should" is a keyword here as both you and I don't know how it works. I'm aware of how it "should" work. Which is why I'm asking KORG people for an explanation how it works in terms of MIDI data transmitted. Can't really understand why you have a problem with that as it's a valid question. As are all of the other questions users might have about any product.

[EvilDragon]

No, it's me, forgot the word NOT . So apologies from me.

But you are rude cello, no company is perfect, as nobody. Maybe they have learned.

Yeah, they've learned how to screw the customers. Thanks very much Korg.

Wow. Like there ever was a company that didn't do that at least once. Get over it.

[RichF]

On the top page of Program, Combination, and Sequencer modes - where you select sounds - there's a menu command: Add To Set List. This inserts the sound (or Song) into the current Set List.

Oh my God.

Dear Korg, I love you.

-Mc

Couldn't have said it better. It seems as if everything that annoys me about my M3 has been fixed in the Kronos. Especially the setlist thing.

Couple of questions:

-With dynamic voice allocation, is there a way of me specifying which voices in a combi have priority? I have an annoying issue with one patch on my M3 where I want it to hold a chord (which I do using the sustain pedal) while I play another sound using a controller board, but since I play the chord first, it drops out first where i really need it to be the other sound. My method of fixing this is to assign the chord to a pad, and sit my mobile phone on the pad to hold it down, but if I can assign priority, that would be a far, far more graceful option

-Is the touch screen still resistive, or is it a capacitive screen? After you use an iPod screen, the M3's resistive screen seems really brutal

-My M3 has the RADIAS expansion board, is there any way of getting the RADIAS sounds into the Kronos, besides individually sampling them all?

-And yeah, im interested to know the answer from Warman above about using external midi pads

-Any ideas about a rough release timeframe for Australia?

I'm afraid that the purchase of a Kronos may just be a foregone conclusion

- [EDIT] There is a Timbre/Track Priority option for each timbre in a Combi or Sequence. You can't adjust it beyond that, but you shouldn't really have to... It adapts to many different variables, i.e. which engines you're playing, how much they're used within a Combi/Seq, where on the keyboard you're playing, etc. You'll find it to be very different from your M3.

-KRONOS uses a resistive display, which means you can touch it with things other than your finger (a stylus, for example).

-RADIAS sounds won't be compatible with KRONOS. Although RADIAS does use the ultra-low aliasing oscillator technology also found in AL-1, the synth architecture is different.

-[EDIT] You can assign external controllers to reference the 8 pads, using settings in Global Mode, as Dan points out below. This also applies to parameters assigned to the Vector Joystick, should you want to use an external X/Y controller of some kind.

-I'm afraid I can't comment on Australian shipping dates, as I work for Korg USA.

Hope this helps.

[RichF]

Scott, I'm very well aware how it works when you're switching combis in COMBI mode As I said, I've been using this for years. Setlist is something else. You have a "virtual" (list) and "buffered" (seamless) way of changing combis, programs, etc. That's all fine and cool. But when you change a patch or a combi in Setlist mode, it either sends MIDI prog change message based on COMBI/PROG user selects, or by the number of the patch in the setlist. Which is what I'm asking. There's a difference.

I have a feeling you are making it more complicated then it is. The entries on a set list should perform like "aliases" on the desktop of a Mac or "shortcuts" on the desktop of a Windows PC. Calling up a combi from the set list should do the exact same thing as if you had called up that combi some other way. If it includes patch changes for external devices, they should be included.

This is correct, Set List is really a collection of shortcuts, not additional storage. if you've selected a Combi using Set List, then press the COMBI button, it'll go directly to the Combi you've selected.

This being said, every time you select a sound, MIDI program change data will be sent, referencing the address of the sound you've selected.

[EDIT]

I need to clarify this. When you switch from one slot to the next, the global MIDI channel will always transmit the address of the SLOT, not the Program/Combi/Sequence as it's internally stored.

If you're switching between Combis or Sequences, which can reference all kinds of additional program changes and assorted MIDI messages, those program changes will be preserved.

The advantage here is that while you're in Set List mode, you can use the global MIDI channel to send/receive MIDI messages that pertain to individual slots, in case you'd like to use an external controller to navigate your Set List.

Hope this makes sense.

[vEddY]

This is correct, Set List is really a collection of shortcuts, not additional storage. if you've selected a Combi using Set List, then press the COMBI button, it'll go directly to the Combi you've selected.
This being said, every time you select a sound, MIDI program change data will be sent, referencing the address of the sound you've selected.

Thanks for clearing it up for us, Rich. Just didn't want to presume anything without confirmation. I've seen some weird s**t in terms of MIDI data incompatibility and "custom codes" in the past 15 years...

[danatkorg]

-With dynamic voice allocation, is there a way of me specifying which voices in a combi have priority? I have an annoying issue with one patch on my M3 where I want it to hold a chord (which I do using the sustain pedal) while I play another sound using a controller board, but since I play the chord first, it drops out first where i really need it to be the other sound. My method of fixing this is to assign the chord to a pad, and sit my mobile phone on the pad to hold it down, but if I can assign priority, that would be a far, far more graceful option

Yes, on both the OASYS and the KRONOS, Combi Timbres and Song Tracks have a "Priority" switch:

* * *

Timbre Priority [Off, On]

This lets you protect a Timbre’s voices from being stolen by other, non‐priority Timbres.

If a new note‐on would exceed the available number of voices, one or more currently‐sounding voice will be stopped ("stolen") to make room for the new voice. If Timbre Priority is On, then the Timbre’s voices can only be stolen by other priority voices; all voices with Timbre Priority Off will be stolen first.
In a Combi with many active Timbres, you can enable Timbre Priority for sounds with an important musical role, such as drums or bass. In general, you can enable it for any Timbre for which note stealing would adversely affect the overall sound.

Important: this setting will have little meaning if it is turned on for more than a few timbres. It’s a good idea to start with Timbre Priority un‐checked for all Timbres, and only turn it on as necessary.

* * *

In general, the KRONOS voice allocation methods are extremely sophisticated - to my knowledge, much more so than any instrument we've made before. I think you'll find it very well-behaved, even without manually setting Priority.

-And yeah, im interested to know the answer from Warman above about using external midi pads

Yes, external MIDI notes (or CCs, though that's a more obscure setup) can be mapped to the 8 pads. For that matter, onboard keys can do so as well. This is set up on the Global P2: Controllers and Scales page. Note that this is an overall setting which applies to notes on the Global MIDI Channel, meaning that notes used for triggering the pads can't be used for playing normal notes. With an external pad device, it would be best to assign a range of notes outside of normal use (for instance, at the extreme bottom or top of the MIDI range).

This also lets you trigger pads from the local keyboard, with the same restriction: those notes are now dedicated to playing the pads.

Best regards,

Dan

[GiantSonicRobot]

This also lets you trigger pads from the local keyboard, with the same restriction: those notes are now dedicated to playing the pads.

Why was this restricted to being a global setting? It would have been so much more flexible if this could be mapped per combi. Being mainly a gigging musician, I certainly wouldn't want to devote valuable keys to always function as pads even if I need this just for a few songs.

[danatkorg]

This also lets you trigger pads from the local keyboard, with the same restriction: those notes are now dedicated to playing the pads.

Why was this restricted to being a global setting? It would have been so much more flexible if this could be mapped per combi. Being mainly a gigging musician, I certainly wouldn't want to devote valuable keys to always function as pads even if I need this just for a few songs.

Hi Giant Robot!

The feature was originally intended for use with external devices. I see your point that a per-Combi setting could be useful. Thanks for the suggestion!

Best regards,

Dan

[Scott]

The entries on a set list should perform like "aliases" on the desktop of a Mac or "shortcuts" on the desktop of a Windows PC. Calling up a combi from the set list should do the exact same thing as if you had called up that combi some other way. If it includes patch changes for external devices, they should be included.

"should" is a keyword here as both you and I don't know how it works. I'm aware of how it "should" work. Which is why I'm asking KORG people for an explanation how it works in terms of MIDI data transmitted. Can't really understand why you have a problem with that as it's a valid question.

I was addressing your original post, where you asked:

"let's say you have a setlist that uses COMBI sound 14 at first slot, then 25 at slot 2, then 30 at slot 3, then 55 at slot 4. When you go through this setlist, will it change external gear patches from 14 to 25 to 30 to 55 or from 1 to 2 to 3 to 4?"

Neither of your proposed alternatives were consistent with the way combis work on other Korgs. So the logical answer would be "none of the above" -- i.e. it sounded like you were not aware of how it "should" work.

To be clear, using your example, let's say that Combi 25 includes sending Program Change 99 to an attached device. When you change from Slot 1 (combi 14) to Slot 2 (combi 25), you aren't sending program change 2 OR program change 25 to the attached device... you're sending program change 99. If it didn't, then the Combi would not be doing its job.

[vEddY]

Neither of your proposed alternatives were consistent with the way combis work on other Korgs. So the logical answer would be "none of the above" -- i.e. it sounded like you were not aware of how it "should" work.
To be clear, using your example, let's say that Combi 25 includes sending Program Change 99 to an attached device. When you change from Slot 1 (combi 14) to Slot 2 (combi 25), you aren't sending program change 2 OR program change 25 to the attached device... you're sending program change

Again, we're not talking about how COMBIs work, but how Set List works. In a combi, when you select source to ext and select a program, it will change a program on the corresponding midi channel. All fine and clear. What I asked was what the user on the other thread asked, which was - if you go through a setlist that has combis inside and have the external korg keyboard (rack or keyboard, whatever) connected to Kronos, can it change combi sounds or not so that combi changes correspond to Kronos's combi changes. This is what I was trying to discover. Because there are people who would like to use it that way, you know? You're discussing the basic mode of operation, I'm asking something completely different. Maybe I haven't been clear enough - possibly so, haven't slept in two days so it's a given - but this is not what I asked. Sorry about the confusion.

[danatkorg]

To elaborate on Rich's comments from above:

Set Lists and MIDI Program Change

MIDI In

Program Change messages on the Global Channel select the Slot, and Bank Select messages on the Global Channel select the Set List.
When a Slot is selected via MIDI, the display updates if necessary to show the appropriate group of 16 buttons.

(Note: Set Lists and Slots actually have their own parameters, such as EQ settings (Set List) and Hold Time, Volume, and Seq Track (Slots), so there needed to be a way to select Slots via MIDI!)

MIDI Out

Selecting a Slot sends Program Change and Bank Select messages, as above.

When selected, Combinations and Songs can transmit other Program Change and Bank Select messages on channels other than the Global channel, as they do in Combination and Sequencer modes.

Hope this helps!

- Dan

Edited for grammar

[vEddY]

To elaborate on Rich's comments from above:
MIDI Out
Selecting a Slot sends Program Change and Bank Select messages, as above.
When selected, Combinations and Songs can transmit other Program Change and Bank Select messages on channels other than the Global channel, as they do in Combination and Sequencer modes.
Hope this helps!
- Dan

Crystal clear, Dan, thanks a lot for your input!

[kandarv]

Maybe a dumb question but I wonder if the Kronos USB-Midi interface is "class-compliant". My M-50's is.

Thanks