M 50 is better than Trition series??

renoruberts · Post by **renoruberts** » Fri Jan 28, 2011 2:53 pm

hiya Folks,
i want to something..i got Korg m50 before 1 year.. Everybody is saying that Korg M50 has more multi samples and new sounds.etc etc.. But practically compare M50 with TR and N364. what about sound's depth? Eventhough TR and N364 has less IFX and MFX...checked both of them in recording their sounds are much better (bigstrings in N364 is awesome). than M50...then what's the use of more IFX and MFX?. What is your suggestion to improve quality of sounds in M50 than N364??? if anybody having sound similar to N364's Bigstrings in M50???

Kim Lajoie · Post by **Kim Lajoie** » Sat Jan 29, 2011 1:31 pm

I think it's a matter of personal preference. I used to use an N364 for years. I replaced it with my M50 and I'd never go back.

At first some of the M50 multisamples sounded thinner than the N364 multisamples, but there's just so much more I can do on the M50 to shape the sound exactly how I like it. To get there, however, I've had to really delve into the per-part EQ and effects usage.

To give you an idea of where (some of) my tastes lie, check out the preview for the upcoming EP 'Torch'. *All* the sounds (except the voice) came from the M50 -

http://soundcloud.com/kim-lajoie/sets/torch/

It's kinda heavy downtempo trip hop. I needed thick sounds with loads of character, and the M50 gave me exactly what I wanted.

-Kim.

Typhoon · Post by **Typhoon** » Sat Jan 29, 2011 2:18 pm

Problem with 1 IFX (for example in TR) is that in combi mode all timbres/programs share the only one FX, (of coure you don´t have to route some programs to IFX but if you want to you have no choise), so the programs used in this combi won´t sound the same as in prog mode... especially when layering programs it doesn´t sound as good as it could if you had more IFXs

mrteclas · Post by **mrteclas** » Sun Jan 30, 2011 5:23 pm

I've had a Korg N5 (same sound as N364), and comparing some songs I've record with the N5, and some with the M50, I think the difference is mind blowing. The M50 sounds much more "alive", spacious and fits better the mix. I really like it's sound, and the editing section is very dedicate.

Mr.Green · Post by **Mr.Green** » Sun Jan 30, 2011 8:35 pm

Kim Lajoie wrote:I think it's a matter of personal preference. I used to use an N364 for years. I replaced it with my M50 and I'd never go back.

At first some of the M50 multisamples sounded thinner than the N364 multisamples, but there's just so much more I can do on the M50 to shape the sound exactly how I like it. To get there, however, I've had to really delve into the per-part EQ and effects usage.

To give you an idea of where (some of) my tastes lie, check out the preview for the upcoming EP 'Torch'. *All* the sounds (except the voice) came from the M50 -

http://soundcloud.com/kim-lajoie/sets/torch/

It's kinda heavy downtempo trip hop. I needed thick sounds with loads of character, and the M50 gave me exactly what I wanted.

-Kim.

Holy mother of %$*& that sounds great!

Wow. Amazing work man. I'd be curious to get more details on how this was recorded if you don't mind.

Kim Lajoie · Post by **Kim Lajoie** » Sun Jan 30, 2011 8:50 pm

Mr.Green wrote:
Kim Lajoie wrote:To give you an idea of where (some of) my tastes lie, check out the preview for the upcoming EP 'Torch'. *All* the sounds (except the voice) came from the M50 -

http://soundcloud.com/kim-lajoie/sets/torch/

It's kinda heavy downtempo trip hop. I needed thick sounds with loads of character, and the M50 gave me exactly what I wanted.

-Kim.

Holy mother of %$*& that sounds great!

Wow. Amazing work man. I'd be curious to get more details on how this was recorded if you don't mind.

Thanks! What kind of details do you want to know about?

-Kim.

Mr.Green · Post by **Mr.Green** » Sun Jan 30, 2011 9:12 pm

Was this recorded in your own "home" studio? Pro Tools? Cubase? that kind of stuff. I'd like to record my band in the near future and I haven't settled down on software yet. I have a Tascam US-2000 interface which came with a lite version of Cubase. I have worked quite a bit with Cakewalk Pro Audio a decade ago, if not more, so I've been looking at Sonar... You'll probably tell me that the software doesn't really matter, it's what you do with it but I figured I'd ask for your advice after listening to your kick ass stuff.

What's your role in the Samplerock stuff? Any M50 in that as well? It's a little oustide of my comfort zone but I thought it was really interesting as well. Great mix of styles and very high production values once again.

Keep it up mate!

Kim Lajoie · Post by **Kim Lajoie** » Sun Jan 30, 2011 9:34 pm

Mr.Green wrote:Was this recorded in your own "home" studio? Pro Tools? Cubase? that kind of stuff. I'd like to record my band in the near future and I haven't settled down on software yet. I have a Tascam US-2000 interface which came with a lite version of Cubase. I have worked quite a bit with Cakewalk Pro Audio a decade ago, if not more, so I've been looking at Sonar... You'll probably tell me that the software doesn't really matter, it's what you do with it but I figured I'd ask for your advice after listening to your kick ass stuff.

The software (or hardware) *does* matter - but not in the way a lot of people think. You should use whatever tools feel comfortable to you. Use whatever lets you get your work done without getting in the way.

For the record, I use Cubase. All the instruments came from the M50 *all at once* - no overdubbing. There's in only a maximum of 5 IFX in each of those songs! The mix was done in Cubase, mainly using Magix am|suite (for EQ and compression)and IK CSR (for reverb). Not much more than that, really.

Mr.Green wrote:What's your role in the Samplerock stuff? Any M50 in that as well? It's a little oustide of my comfort zone but I thought it was really interesting as well. Great mix of styles and very high production values once again. !

Samplerock is a little outside most people's comfort zone.

I'm the producer and composer for that project. Randall, the vocalist, writes the lyrics but I have a big hand in editing them.

Mr.Green wrote:Keep it up mate!

Cheers - glad you like it!

-Kim.

Mr.Green · Post by **Mr.Green** » Sun Jan 30, 2011 10:20 pm

Thanks for the quick answers Kim!

Do you use the M50 VST plugin at all? Do you use MIDI tracks or do you record audio tracks right from the start?

What kind of effects/processing did you use on Randall's voice? Sounds wicked. I have a very deep voice myself and this is very inspiring stuff!

xmlguy · Post by **xmlguy** » Sun Jan 30, 2011 11:17 pm

Kim Lajoie wrote: For the record, I use Cubase. All the instruments came from the M50 *all at once* - no overdubbing. There's in only a maximum of 5 IFX in each of those songs! The mix was done in Cubase, mainly using Magix am|suite (for EQ and compression)and IK CSR (for reverb). Not much more than that, really.

What's up with all the white noise on the whole Torch track? It's really annoying and distracting, particularly because the noise gets cut at the end of the track before it ends. Her voice reminds me of Björk.

Kim Lajoie · Post by **Kim Lajoie** » Mon Jan 31, 2011 12:42 am

Mr.Green wrote:Thanks for the quick answers Kim!

Do you use the M50 VST plugin at all? Do you use MIDI tracks or do you record audio tracks right from the start?

Yes, I used the M50 VST plugin for this. It was all sequenced as MIDI tracks while I was composing. I rendered each track to audio right at the end just before mixing.

Mr.Green wrote:What kind of effects/processing did you use on Randall's voice? Sounds wicked. I have a very deep voice myself and this is very inspiring stuff!

For most of those songs, I think I just slammed it with Audio Damage Rough Rider (with a bit of EQ too probably). Nothing special - just extreme compression.

-Kim.

Kim Lajoie · Post by **Kim Lajoie** » Mon Jan 31, 2011 12:46 am

xmlguy wrote:What's up with all the white noise on the whole Torch track? It's really annoying and distracting, particularly because the noise gets cut at the end of the track before it ends.

'Torch' is the name of the upcoming EP. Are you referring to the song 'You Don't Have To Tell Me'? The background noise comes from the bitcrusher IFX I used. I like it. Maybe it's not to your taste. Check out the other Torch songs - the others don't have that background noise.

xmlguy wrote:Her voice reminds me of Björk.

You're not the first to say it.

-Kim.