... could it be that R3 users are more creative in sound programming than Radias ones?
Being for more than a year mainly in this forum section I have the impression that the majority of the members that create and post their patches here are R3 owners.
Even when I had the R3, I was more creative and more involved in sound programming than now, having the Radias.
Could it be that having more than twice the power of the R3 we think we can do it all and therfore we don't need to do it?
Could it be that more power makes us more lethargic?
What do you think?
This is curious but.....
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axxim
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This is curious but.....
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Only a Radias, VP-770, SP-170S and iPad2
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Only a Radias, VP-770, SP-170S and iPad2
http://www.axxim.de/r3dias
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCyi189 ... UTEpsykkIg
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diegombass
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of course.
Current: MS-20 Mini, Minilogue, SY77
Past: Korg R3, Volca Bass, X50, Mg Slim Phatty, Rld Gaia SH-01, Yamaha TX81Z
Have my freebie granular plug-in: https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewt ... p?t=192886
Past: Korg R3, Volca Bass, X50, Mg Slim Phatty, Rld Gaia SH-01, Yamaha TX81Z
Have my freebie granular plug-in: https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewt ... p?t=192886
For me, necessity is the mother of invention. When I bought my R3 for $420, the Radias was over $1,200. I could buy a lot of other stuff for the difference, and I did, including an X-Station, Z1, and X50.
Now that the Radias Rack has dropped in price, its very tempting to upgrade, but then I think of the following:
I prefer to program efficiently to not waste polyphony
Therefore I don't run out of polyphony
2 timbres is good enough for me
I have no interest in the Radias Drums.
I don't have much need for the envelope follower.
So for now I'm staying pat with the R3. I don't know if I'll be able to continue to resist if I find a Radias-R under $500.
Now that the Radias Rack has dropped in price, its very tempting to upgrade, but then I think of the following:
I prefer to program efficiently to not waste polyphony
Therefore I don't run out of polyphony
2 timbres is good enough for me
I have no interest in the Radias Drums.
I don't have much need for the envelope follower.
So for now I'm staying pat with the R3. I don't know if I'll be able to continue to resist if I find a Radias-R under $500.
I've programmed hundreds of patches on my Radias. I've had to wipe the banks and start again a number of times simply for running out of space.
Of course, a handful of these I'd like to share. And a smaller percentage of these I actually have an immediate use for music.
I wish I could use all of them but I find once a patch is programmed and is saved to the computer it just gets forgotten about - it is only the ones currently in my Radias which get used.
Anyway, I am certainly very 'patchually active' with my RADIAS-R. I think the point really is that RADIAS users aren't so conductive to sharing their patches.
I've had two patch libraries waiting to be published which just need finishing touches, but I've not had the time in the past year between university studies, graduating, looking for jobs, working...
Of course, a handful of these I'd like to share. And a smaller percentage of these I actually have an immediate use for music.
I wish I could use all of them but I find once a patch is programmed and is saved to the computer it just gets forgotten about - it is only the ones currently in my Radias which get used.
Anyway, I am certainly very 'patchually active' with my RADIAS-R. I think the point really is that RADIAS users aren't so conductive to sharing their patches.
I've had two patch libraries waiting to be published which just need finishing touches, but I've not had the time in the past year between university studies, graduating, looking for jobs, working...
Current Gear: Kronos 61, RADIAS-R, Volca Bass, ESX-1, microKorg, MS2000B, R3, Kaossilator Pro +, MiniKP, AX3000B, nanoKontrol, nanoPad MK II,
Other Mfgrs: Moog Sub37, Roland Boutique JX03, Novation MiniNova, Akai APC40, MOTU MIDI TimePiece 2, ART Pro VLA, Focusrite Saffire Pro 40.
Past Gear: Korg Karma, TR61, Poly800, EA-1, ER-1, ES-1, Kawai K1, Novation ReMote37SL, Boss GT-6B
Software: NI Komplete 10 Ultimate, Arturia V Collection, Ableton Live 9. Apple OSX El Capitan on 15" MacBook Pro
Other Mfgrs: Moog Sub37, Roland Boutique JX03, Novation MiniNova, Akai APC40, MOTU MIDI TimePiece 2, ART Pro VLA, Focusrite Saffire Pro 40.
Past Gear: Korg Karma, TR61, Poly800, EA-1, ER-1, ES-1, Kawai K1, Novation ReMote37SL, Boss GT-6B
Software: NI Komplete 10 Ultimate, Arturia V Collection, Ableton Live 9. Apple OSX El Capitan on 15" MacBook Pro
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TecRoc
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R3 vs Radias
More Creative, because of less possibilities?
I really would like to have a radias too, but i would still keep my R3
because of its ideal measurements for live. The "limitations" of the
R3 compared to the Radias, makes it somewhat necessary to think
in unconventional ways when programming. For example i use the
mod seq as an alternate Env which i can shape more flexible.
The Radias here has its envelopes with log/lin curves. But this only
means the Radias has much more possibilities which i would use, if i had it.
One really annoying thing on the R3 is that there are less V-patch mod destinations.
Especially the destination V-Patch amount and the OSC Ctrl2 are quite valueable.
I also like to have the onboard knob tweaking capabilities of the Radias.
Particularly the Step Sequencer knobs. Unfortunately in germany the Radias still
sells for the regular retail price.
And that could be another reason why it seems there are less Radias Patches.
there might be more R3 users than Radias users.
Or maybe the Radias users are making more music and doing less programming.
Well but all in all i´d say it´s about the creative mind that´s behind the wheel,
that makes a good patch. Nevertheless some experimentation combined with solid synth knowledge is necessary.
BTW: I have never programmed as much patches (over 1000) on any other synth
but on my R3, thanks to the excellent editor.
Greetingz, tec
I really would like to have a radias too, but i would still keep my R3
because of its ideal measurements for live. The "limitations" of the
R3 compared to the Radias, makes it somewhat necessary to think
in unconventional ways when programming. For example i use the
mod seq as an alternate Env which i can shape more flexible.
The Radias here has its envelopes with log/lin curves. But this only
means the Radias has much more possibilities which i would use, if i had it.
One really annoying thing on the R3 is that there are less V-patch mod destinations.
Especially the destination V-Patch amount and the OSC Ctrl2 are quite valueable.
I also like to have the onboard knob tweaking capabilities of the Radias.
Particularly the Step Sequencer knobs. Unfortunately in germany the Radias still
sells for the regular retail price.
And that could be another reason why it seems there are less Radias Patches.
there might be more R3 users than Radias users.
Or maybe the Radias users are making more music and doing less programming.
Well but all in all i´d say it´s about the creative mind that´s behind the wheel,
that makes a good patch. Nevertheless some experimentation combined with solid synth knowledge is necessary.
BTW: I have never programmed as much patches (over 1000) on any other synth
but on my R3, thanks to the excellent editor.
Greetingz, tec
TecRoc
