How do you seperate the sounds in a drum pattern ?

[mystic sAge]

What I want to do is record each of the sounds in a drum pattern to my DAW seperately. For example: kick, snare, hi hat, etc. so I can do my mixing on an analog console.

Do you have to run them each to seperate outs, or is there a way to turn all but one of the sounds off and record them each in seperate passes to the DAW ?

I am talking about some of the factory drum patterns that come with the M3. I go to the drum track page but there doesn't seem to be a way to get into the individual sounds that make up that pattern. And since each drum pattern has to be on 1 midi channel in the sequencer, it is impossible to simply mute midi channels and seperate the sounds that way.

I know those sounds will be contained in a specific drum "program", but I can't figure out how to access that page either (if it indeed exists).

Or is there a way to go into a midi page and just mute the hi hat & snare temporarily so that only the kick gets recorded, and then record the others in seperate passes ? It seems this might be the best way (if possible) because all of the FX will be retained just going thru the main outs.

Any insights on this would be greatly appreciated !!

I don't have the Paramaters Guide so I am kind of in the dark here my brothers.

[ozy]

no way on the m3.

Sorry, I needed it and it can't be done.

You need to manually split the track into separate tracks, one for each instrument.

Then you'll have track 1 playing snare on midi ch 1, track playing hi-hat 2 on midi channel 2, etc.

You then can pan each track to a different effect and/or audio output.

But the split is not automatized.

you must

a) export the midi file to a software sequencer and use the "split to tracks" function

b) make 8 or 12 copies of the track, and manually "erase notes" on each track (there is an automated function for erasing whole ranges of notes).

you need a piece of paper and lot of patience.

I use system B) for simple jobs. I used a) in the past for more complex jobs, using Cubase

[gjvti]

You can probably reroute/separate IFX drum groups (if they are available for particular programm - usually kick, snares, hi hats, toms, everything else separately) but yes, not individual drum sounds - check 1–4: DrumTrk Program reference manual - IFX. Patch section (it is under DrumTrk Program tab in menu and options are L/R, IFX1...5, 1...4, 1/2, 3/4, Off)

[Miggz McFly]

you can use gjvti's advice above + go into global mode and edit the drum kit to group whatever instruments you need to be solo'd

its possible, just not plum easy

[mystic sAge]

jesus guys, that sounds like a HUGE pain in the but !!!

i am a professional music producer, and so it is paramount that i am able to do this.

the m3 has great sounds and nice effects, but it in NO WAY compares to what i can do processing the drum sounds individually on my console w/ outboard FX

there is no way you can do a truly professional drum submix without AT LEAST seperating the kick and snare and processing them seperately. these 2 instruments are hugely important and each need seperate EQ and compression with VERY different settings !!

oh well, i really like the sound of what i am doing on the m3 -- but i will likely sell if i cant figure out how to do this properly. if you cannot take these productions to the next level (professional) then the instrument is utterly useless

right now I'm seeing 2 options: 1) record the whole drum pattern into my DAW and then CHOP CHOP CHOP, isolate the different sounds and move them to seperate tracks and PRAY that the overlapping bleed can be controlled somehow or 2) somehow export the midi information for the drum pattern into my DAW sequencer so I can at least VIEW the data, mute individual notes and record each sound seperately in different passes this way ???

i'm leaning towards option #2 if that is possible, as this would be the cleanest way with no bleed. is there a way to view the midi data for a drum pattern INSIDE the M3 ??

i simply cannot believe that korg would make this so difficult !!!

sucks BIGTIME because i've already done alot of cool stuff on this thing, but it seems it may all be useless if i can't seperate the sounds externally. even my old dinasour akai s6000 & mpc2000 make it EASY to do this !!!

arrrrrrgggggghhhhhhhhh !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[mystic sAge]

no way on the m3.

Sorry, I needed it and it can't be done.

You need to manually split the track into separate tracks, one for each instrument.

Then you'll have track 1 playing snare on midi ch 1, track playing hi-hat 2 on midi channel 2, etc.

thanks Ozy !!

so, does what you wrote above apply to the factory drum patterns that have already been recorded for you ?

what i want to do is take my sequences (some of which use factory drum patterns via the "drum track" function) and export that track's midi info to my DAW sequencer and then solo each sound that way.

can it be done this way, oir am i missing something ?

[mystic sAge]

you can use gjvti's advice above + go into global mode and edit the drum kit to group whatever instruments you need to be solo'd

its possible, just not plum easy

thanks Miggz McFly,

so if I go into global mode and edit the specific drum kit (used by the drum track feature in one of my sequences), then you are saying that when I play that sequence back it will only play the drum sounds that I have solo'd ???

if so, then this would seem like the easiest way to get where i am trying to go with this

cool name BTW !!!!

[ozy]

no way on the m3.

Sorry, I needed it and it can't be done.

You need to manually split the track into separate tracks, one for each instrument.

Then you'll have track 1 playing snare on midi ch 1, track playing hi-hat 2 on midi channel 2, etc.

thanks Ozy !!

so, does what you wrote above apply to the factory drum patterns that have already been recorded for you ?

what i want to do is take my sequences (some of which use factory drum patterns via the "drum track" function) and export that track's midi info to my DAW sequencer and then solo each sound that way.

can it be done this way, oir am i missing something ?

a drum pattern is a m3 is just a short "track". Just export it as a midi file (all notes in one track) to a sequencer/daw,

make a "split to notes" (each track contains just a note, e.g. the E-1, which the m3's standard drum kit plays as a "kick drum")

then re-import it to m3 as a song and play it: at that point, each tracks will have its own drum kit, its own EQ, and you can allocate tracks to 6 different audio outs in order to mix them on your favorite daw, mixer, outboard, whatever.

If you are a professional producers, spending one hours reading some pages of the FM(tm) could help

[X-Trade]

Small note - you should be able to do this all in one box.

Sometimes it needs you to be a little creative. What hardware manufacturers often do is not duplicate functionality unnecessarily. complexity and user interface space are rare in the hardware world.

So instead of specifically having a function to seperate out notes, you can still:
1. copy the track to two other tracks
2. event edit mode and filter notes
3. delete the unneeded notes

[mystic sAge]

Small note - you should be able to do this all in one box.

Sometimes it needs you to be a little creative. What hardware manufacturers often do is not duplicate functionality unnecessarily. complexity and user interface space are rare in the hardware world.

So instead of specifically having a function to seperate out notes, you can still:
1. copy the track to two other tracks
2. event edit mode and filter notes
3. delete the unneeded notes

Thanks man !!

This NAILED IT for me. With nearly 4000 posts you must be the M3 guru or something (lol) ! indeed, there is always more than 1 way to skin the proverbial cat as they say

I figured it out tonight in about 20 minutes. It's actually pretty easy, just go at it like a chop shop in the track edit page, zoom it up and use that little eraser tool -- frickin BRILLIANT !!! Set the sequencer to slave mode, trigger it from the DAW and record each sound in seperate passes.

Now I can also do complicated live sequenced performances on drum kits and only have to worry about seperating the sounds later on.

Thanks again brother !!! Rock on