Anyone using Bose L1 MK II?

hellboy44 · Post by **hellboy44** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 6:14 am

That's great news Dennis!

I'd be interested to hear your impressions too when you're ready......

miden · Post by **miden** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 7:32 pm

One question though, do you guys just use the Left/Mono from the PA3/Pa2, or do you run both left and right into the Tonematch and let it do the summing?

Dennis

hellboy44 · Post by **hellboy44** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 11:28 pm

If it means anything, I run from the Left Mono output from my PA1x.

Single Cord. Perfect sound.

(I mean, "Left/Mono" is meant to be a summed output already is it not?)

P.S. Does the PA3x HAVE a Left/Mono output *gulp*

miden · Post by **miden** » Thu Jul 14, 2011 1:07 am

Thanks HB, yeah afaik it does...well it seems to work that way!!

I am having a bit of an issue with feedback but that is probably because of proximity in the home studio here. First gig is tomorrow night...SHould be interesting!!!!

Dennis

Giner · Post by **Giner** » Thu Jul 14, 2011 1:15 am

Same as HB. Left/Mono out from the Pa1Xpro. As far as I can tell, there's no difference to letting the Bose sum the signal. Some say there are phase cancellation issues summing into mono, but for general purposes I'm happy with the way things are. No doubt there's plenty of discussion on this subject on the web, but never having run a stereo rig myself I guess it falls into the category of not missing what I never had. Would be fun to try, I suppose, but then I'd never stop hankering for a dual Bose set-up. But that would be financially out of the question. Cheers, Giner.

Have a great gig tomorrow!

miden · Post by **miden** » Thu Jul 14, 2011 1:27 am

Thanks Giner...yeah it's summing either way, as the Bose system is mono, but I have a feeling that it would be best to run both channels into the Tonematch and let it sum the signal with it's wizardy!!

If I didn't have the Tonematch, then I would only use the L/R output. I have been using a stereo rig, but tbh I have not noticed any marked difference in shifting over to the mono Bose.

Vocals are MUCH improved sound wise!!!

I think all the phase cancellation issues are only with Yamaha arrangers.

Dennis

Giner · Post by **Giner** » Thu Jul 14, 2011 4:54 am

miden wrote:
Vocals are MUCH improved sound wise!!!

I think all the phase cancellation issues are only with Yamaha arrangers.

Dennis

For sure vocals are so clean and crisp. I take it you set up the appropriate mic choice in the TM - silly me, of course you did.

"cancellation issues are only with Yamaha arrangers." LOL! Best place for them.

miden · Post by **miden** » Thu Jul 14, 2011 6:51 am

elvisron wrote:
UKSimon wrote:
elvisron wrote: You don't need the extra sub, it all comes together with
how you program your Tonematch.
Hey Ron, Can you share what you programmed on the Tonematch to make your PA2X only use 1 Bass Module. I've been using it flat with no eq but then I've been using 2xB1 and sometimes depending on the venue there's almost too much bass

Cheers

Simon

Hi Simon,

first of all, I did not programmed it, Dirk Schurmans from Belgium did it because I couldn't get it right also the credits are for Dirk.

I have made foto's from the Tonematch of each setting.

I have not problem of sharing it, I hope Dirk hasn't also because it's his work.

I will contact him and if he is ok with it I will share it, I hop you understand.

Ron.

Ron, is there any chance you could ask if these settings could be psoted here somewhere? I am trying to get a decent sound for the PA3x, and would be helpful to know what EQ settings Dirk has used with the tonematch..

Thanks

Dennis

UKSimon · Post by **UKSimon** » Thu Jul 14, 2011 11:13 am

miden wrote: I am having a bit of an issue with feedback but that is probably because of proximity in the home studio here. First gig is tomorrow night...SHould be interesting!!!!

Dennis

Hi Dennis

When I first got my Bose I had the same issue as you at home with the mic feeding back. What I discovered was a strange phenomenon that at home I had the mic turned up quite high to hear it. Beware of engaging the adaptive mic shape/compressor in the PA3X as that can encourage feedback.

As soon as I went out gigging and I turned up the Bose to gig volumes, I had to turn the mic way down as it was far too loud. Of course all the feedback went away.

When I'm gigging and the bose is behind me, I've had the Bose master volume around 11 oclock before feedback happens. To be honest the bose is pretty loud by then and I wouldn't want to turn it up any louder or I'd go deaf!!

On one occasion I felt I needed a little more volume so I placed the bose to one side and just in front of the mic so no feedback. Because of the wide dispersal I still heard everything clearly. I moved the bass modules slightly further back so I could hear all the bass.

Simon

miden · Post by **miden** » Thu Jul 14, 2011 8:44 pm

Thanks Simon. It goes out to work for the first time tonight, so I think a lot of answers will come from that..Good tips in your post though. I think at some of the venues I play at it will HAVE to go to the side. SO feedback won't be an issue.

The model II has greater side sound dispersion, so as you say, hearing it should still be fine.

Dennis

Giner · Post by **Giner** » Fri Jul 15, 2011 10:46 pm

Come on then, Dennis. How did it go on the gig? Inquiring minds and all that . . .

miden · Post by **miden** » Fri Jul 15, 2011 11:01 pm

Hi Giner,

It went really well. I have to admit to being still a bit doubtful. Oh, I KNEW it was going to be easy to setup and get to the gig, but the soudn was still an unknown.

But it performed beautifully...It certainly proved to be at least the equal of my existing system (QSC K10 tops plus subs).

It is really true about the sound spread though. I put on an mp3 and then walked around the room, and it was really tough to hear dull spots. The sound just seemed to travel around the room.

I am actually now doubting whether I needed to buy the additional sub...the single sub performed pretty well, in fact I had to cut the lows on the Tonematch. But perhaps at larger venues with more on the floor it may yet prove useful.

I still need to tweak some more on the overall sound, but from reading up at the Bose forums, that is all part of it as it can take some time to get it setup perfectly.

Dennis

Sam CA · Post by **Sam CA** » Sat Jul 16, 2011 2:07 am

miden wrote: It is really true about the sound spread though. I put on an mp3 and then walked around the room, and it was really tough to hear dull spots. The sound just seemed to travel around the room.

I am actually now doubting whether I needed to buy the additional sub...the single sub performed pretty well, in fact I had to cut the lows on the Tonematch. But perhaps at larger venues with more on the floor it may yet prove useful.

Isn't that amazing? I've experimented with that in pretty big halls, and the sound dispersion is awesome. In fact, I always put the system in front of the stage and still singers and musicians can hear pretty well, as oppose to traditional set up which all you hear is Bass and air...

If you always perform in familiar places, then you might not need the extra sub as you know your sound well. But my locations are pretty random so I always need the extra stuff.

hellboy44 · Post by **hellboy44** » Sat Jul 16, 2011 2:11 am

That sounds great Dennis - VERY happy for you!!!
Re the extra Sub - GET IT ASAP.

My reasoning?

I would rather have something and not need it, then need something and not have it.

Is this not one of the Golden Rules for Musos/Gigs?

miden · Post by **miden** » Sat Jul 16, 2011 6:19 am

Thanks Sam..and HB, I already DO have the extra sub...I was just thinking maybe I didn't need to buy it...but I have it now so all good.

The PA3x and the Bose L1 seem to be the prefect match really. A super combo. I am really happy now with my gear, for the first time in about 9 years.....been looking for a long time and finally found the right setup!!!

Dennis