Jazzhooves review

[Colleen500]

What the hell is fabulous (meaning fabled - or fantasy) about misinformed, subjective and "paid for" comment?

You are very unfabulous, miden.-1

[miden]

another Canadian who over-reacts....must be the water you lot drink over there!!!

You DO realise I was making the comment about the actual review from jazzhooves, and NOT your comment

[snazzyplayer]

Fabulous post, Peter. +1

Thank you Colleen. We must remember we are on a Korg site, so any criticism, no matter how accurate, will not be tolerated very well by the locals.

I see we've disturbed one or two already.[puts on flack jacket]

I'm glad to pass on the PA3X; a Tyros4, with either my G-70 or a BK-7M, will be the way i will go.

The PA3X lacks any real identity; that's how I see it.

Korg lost this round I'm afraid, big time, although the Kronos looks promising.

Peace,

Pete

[miden]

Criticism is fine...if you actually READ the posts, you will see I (and others) say the T4 IS a good keyboard....the issue is with the Jazzhooves review which was not objective...it was rather, the result of "paid for" comment.

In other words an "advertorial" and containing excessive subjectivity

The fact that two Yamaha owners can not accept any criticism at all (even of a faulty review) further enhances their reputation for blinkered non-objective opinion.

I think ALL the Korg owners here agree the Yamaha is a fine instrument, it is just oriented to a different market....the home player.

[snazzyplayer]

the issue is with the Jazzhooves review which was not objective...it was rather, the result of "paid for" comment.

I don't agree with you, miden, Leigh was not paid by Korg; if he had been, the review surely would have been much better. He's not stupid. As it was, he told me that he couldn't wait to get rid of it.

The Roland BK-7M got a very favorable review; was he paid for that as well?

I was quite blown away by the quality of the BK-7M; it's a bit dodgy setting up, but I'm used to complicated gear, so it's a non-issue for me.

The companies submit a product for him to test. I think his arranger reviews are far more accurate than Keyboard Player mag (from UK), and the Korg just simply didn't do it for him.

It didn't for me either, and also several of my muso friends felt the same way. We use arrangers as quick scratch pads for film scores, and it's nice to have great sounds and styles instantly without needing to edit. The Tyros instruments have always scored high in that area.

As far as Tyros4 being "home" product? Maybe it was intended that way, but it sure gets a lot of use by the pros around here. Come to think of it, Nashville Row has a brace of them set up for songwriting. It's a quick, no muss, no fuss, way of getting down musical ideas, with nothing to get in the way of the process.

If you're happy with your Korg, that's cool man; it's just not for me.

Peace,

Pete

[Frans N]

Hm snazzyplayer sounds alot like Ian from SZ. Are you his brother?

[snazzyplayer]

Hm snazzyplayer sounds alot like Ian from SZ. Are you his brother?

I am sorry Frans; I do not know that person. Is he a friend of yours?

I have never posted on that site, and have refrained from joining; there appears to be too many conflicts and very little content.

Are you a member of SZ?


Pete

[miden]

I don't agree with you, miden, Leigh was not paid by Korg; if he had been, the review surely would have been much better. He's not stupid. As it was, he told me that he couldn't wait to get rid of it.

The Roland BK-7M got a very favorable review; was he paid for that as well?

I was quite blown away by the quality of the BK-7M; it's a bit dodgy setting up, but I'm used to complicated gear, so it's a non-issue for me.

The companies submit a product for him to test. I think his arranger reviews are far more accurate than Keyboard Player mag (from UK), and the Korg just simply didn't do it for him.

It didn't for me either, and also several of my muso friends felt the same way. We use arrangers as quick scratch pads for film scores, and it's nice to have great sounds and styles instantly without needing to edit. The Tyros instruments have always scored high in that area.

As far as Tyros4 being "home" product? Maybe it was intended that way, but it sure gets a lot of use by the pros around here. Come to think of it, Nashville Row has a brace of them set up for songwriting. It's a quick, no muss, no fuss, way of getting down musical ideas, with nothing to get in the way of the process.

If you're happy with your Korg, that's cool man; it's just not for me.

Peace,

Pete

Pete, ahhh I see you misunderstood....I meant that Jazzhooves gets support from Yamaha, NOT that Leigh was directly paid by either Yamaha or Korg (or Roland for that matter)..Sorry for the confusion.

In regard to the BKm, there would be no bias as they (the T4 and the Bk7m) are totally different bits of gear..whereas the PA3 and the T4 are very similar, hence the drawing of Leighs' invalid, (in my opinion) summation.

Leigh is an unabashed Yamaha devotee (and that's fine, no problems) BUT he unfortunately allowed his bias to permeate the Korg review.

Dennis

[Frans N]

Hm snazzyplayer sounds alot like Ian from SZ. Are you his brother?

I am sorry Frans; I do not know that person. Is he a friend of yours?

I have never posted on that site, and have refrained from joining; there appears to be too many conflicts and very little content.

Are you a member of SZ?


Pete

Not a friend of mine but someone who works for Yamaha. No I have been banned from SZone.

[snazzyplayer]

Leigh is an unabashed Yamaha devotee (and that's fine, no problems) BUT he unfortunately allowed his bias to permeate the Korg review.

Dennis

I suppose we all have our biases, miden; I for one, like a streamlined setup and instant gratification, and the Tyros fills the bill admirably; the PA3X would require too much tweaking, and I just don't have the time. Time is money in my job, and getting a great sounding demo to a client in the shortest time possible (while still keeping the quality high) can mean getting hired again; or not. I'm sure Nashville uses them for the same reason.

The BK-7M is also instant gratification. Amazing sounds for the money, and a tiny footprint in the studio. It's cheap too.

Both it and the Tyros are just tools, and, like tools, as they wear out, they simply get replaced with newer ones; they pay for themselves rather quickly.

I thinking finding a reviewer, with no biases at all, is nigh on impossible; Leigh is the least biased in my opinion.

Do you have someone else in mind?

Maybe we could get your friend Frans to review?

Pete

[Frans N]

I don't do reviews for FREE. Maby if you sent me 1000 Euro I could write a nice article about the T4 or BK 7m

[Vex]

In the review ,I must agree with this:

ORGAN VOICES
The organ sounds are to Korg’s usual high standard, every one a lot of fun to play and incredible quality, BUT, Stop trying to put theatre organ voices onto a portable keyboard. As an organist, unless you have 2 manuals and pedals you cannot get any benefit from these sounds. The theatre organs are cheesy and a waste of space that could be used by better voices, but to Korg’s defence, most manufacturers do it and do it badly.

Man is right about it- Do we need all that Organ voices in 21. century??? How many people actually need drawbars??? 0.5%? Instead of using all that ROM space for that Korg should add MAINSTREAM sounds like synth leads for example! If you look closer,more-less there are the same (old) ROM samples from previous keyboards,a little new...When I bought pa3 i was (and still) dissapointed when I saw synth banks that are THE SAME like on pa2...in 21. century - that's a shame.

[miden]

Leigh is an unabashed Yamaha devotee (and that's fine, no problems) BUT he unfortunately allowed his bias to permeate the Korg review.

Dennis

I suppose we all have our biases, miden; I for one, like a streamlined setup and instant gratification, and the Tyros fills the bill admirably; the PA3X would require too much tweaking, and I just don't have the time. Time is money in my job, and getting a great sounding demo to a client in the shortest time possible (while still keeping the quality high) can mean getting hired again; or not. I'm sure Nashville uses them for the same reason.

The BK-7M is also instant gratification. Amazing sounds for the money, and a tiny footprint in the studio. It's cheap too.

Both it and the Tyros are just tools, and, like tools, as they wear out, they simply get replaced with newer ones; they pay for themselves rather quickly.

I thinking finding a reviewer, with no biases at all, is nigh on impossible; Leigh is the least biased in my opinion.

Do you have someone else in mind?

Maybe we could get your friend Frans to review?

Pete

Well, "snazzyplayer", I am a retired journalist, and we are trained to not allow ANY personal opinion cloud a story...

If one is a professional reviewer (as this person is - meaning he gets paid to write) he MUST put aside all personal opinion and preference and provide an objective piece.

That this guy actually made direct reference and more-over a preference to another product within the review is both unprofessional as a writer, and really removes all credibility from said piece. That his employers also get support from the alternate manufacturer to the one subject of the review, adds further to this impression.

To be blunt, there are plenty of OTHER Yamaha fora for you to expound your personal preferences on, I really do not see the need for you to promulgate any further your obvious Yamaha bias on this Korg forum.

At least most, if not ALL, the members of this forum can admit to the T4 being a great keyboard, it's a shame that you Yamaha folk don't seem to be able to see past your own preferences, and reciprocate.

Sadly, in my experience, nearly all Yamaha owners I have come across seem to be not able to concede that something might, just MIGHT be better than what they paid out BIG dollars for.....there are exceptions, but not many. And you (amongst others), based on comments here, have proven yourselves to be NOT in the exceptional group.

We are done.

[snazzyplayer]

Well, "snazzyplayer", I am a retired journalist, and we are trained to not allow ANY personal opinion cloud a story...

To be blunt, there are plenty of OTHER Yamaha fora for you to expound your personal preferences on, I really do not see the need for you to promulgate any further your obvious Yamaha bias on this Korg forum.

At least most, if not ALL, the members of this forum can admit to the T4 being a great keyboard, it's a shame that you Yamaha folk don't seem to be able to see past your own preferences, and reciprocate. Sadly, in my experience all Yamaha owners can never admit that something might, just MIGHT be better than what they paid out BIG dollars for...

We are done.

Miden, we were just about "done" after your first post.

For a "professional" you sure have a short fuse, and a very poor attitude. It is strange you made it all the way to retirement age; you wouldn't last 10 seconds here in Hollywood with that kind of instant hostility.

Let's sum this up:

I am not a "Yamaha folk" any more than I'm a Korg or Roland folk; I use what works best for my profession.

If the Korg PA3X had come with enough usable sounds and styles out of the box, I'd have one in a minute. But, they stalled this time, and it sounds too much like the PA2X to be useful. I like fresh usable sounds and styles; not rehashed old stuff that began in the PA1X eons ago.

Korg failed in my opinion, and, obviously, you disagree. It's too bad you haven't reached a maturity level that would enable you to have a sensible discussion without resorting to making wild assumptions.

Now we're done.

Pete

[snazzyplayer]

Instead of using all that ROM space for that Korg should add MAINSTREAM sounds like synth leads for example! If you look closer,more-less there are the same (old) ROM samples from previous keyboards,a little new...When I bought pa3 i was (and still) dissapointed when I saw synth banks that are THE SAME like on pa2...in 21. century - that's a shame.

You and I are in agreement, Vex, which is why I had to pass on the PA3X; it was too much like the earlier models.

I like having drawbars, which gives you plenty of organ choices, but I also like fresh synth sounds and rejuvenated older sounds, and there just weren't enough to make me happy.

I suppose we could tweak the daylights out of it and come up with our own versions, but, quite frankly, I would have liked to have a nice size bunch of new ones to start with at least.

How do you like the chord sequencer?

I thought it was a very cool addition (I had it on one of my old Roland arrangers) but I think they could have made it less finicky.

Your thoughts?

Pete