Free EXis: Korg waking up at last? ;-)

[Rocness]

I don't know where your getting free this and that from .

From this quote from you:

So Korg if you really want to do right by Oasys give it the SGX-1 and EP-1. It's the only true way to make all Oasys owners happy with this .

Where did Korg promise THIS in the OASYS literature or advertisements? They didn't. They are giving 3 free EXi's and you ask for more because you feel you are entitled to all the benefits of the Kronos.

I don't get this logic at all. I really, really don't. Do you also want Set List mode? A new system board? At what point will you truly be satisfied so you can move on with your life?

Ok in that quote I don't see the word free anywhere do you ?

I think it would be great if Korg sold the EP-1 to us but at least we have the option to buy it .

What Korg did Promise was to add expansion instruments as they develop them , aging watch and listen carefully at 1:25 to 1:45 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQJhpWvqqK4 .

If you default on your home mortgage the bank is not going to say , hey since that was a long time ago forget about it , because they know your home is a longterm investment . Same thing with Oasys is was marketed as an investment in future developments like the EP-1 .

If you can't see that , than I can't help you .
If your more of a don't worry be happy type of person that's fine but don't give me a hard time because I'm not .

[Rocness]

SGX EP1.....

We're getting a little carried away here...

and not to mention,I've already bought an SV1

OK the key words here are you" already bought an SV1" .
So know if korg offered the EP-1 to all Oasys owners you want to take your ball and go home .

[Rocness]

how hard would it be for Korg to give the Oasys the SGX-1 and EP-1 pianos ?

The 4 gig Pianos require Disk Streaming, which the OASYS does not have.

And what about the EP-1 ? How hard would that be ?

[MartinHines]

This is another cost saving exercise of the OASYS program (it appears to me). Korg gets a massive benefit in the 'flattening' of the OASYS/Kronos field.

Imagine - Korg would have to maintain and support the unlock website for as long as there was still one, yes, just one working unlocked OASYS out there! How long would that be - 20 years; maybe more?!

I don't see this as "cost saving" at all. Korg User.net has to be maintained for the Korg Legacy Collection and new Kronos libraries (yes, I suspect new Kronos libraries will be sold).

Also, Korg is under no legal obligation to continue to sell OASYS unlock codes for 20 years. Manufacturers discontinue products all the time, and accessories and replacement parts are not sold forever.

What Korg did Promise was to add expansion instruments as they develop them , again watch and listen carefully at 1:25 to 1:45 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQJhpWvqqK4 .

Korg did not promise to add expansion instruments to the OASYS forever. The only promise they broke regarded EXfs. The OASYS had plenty of updates.

Retrofitting Kronos items to the OASYS (assuming it was even technically possible) would be a huge money loser to Korg. Companies invest money in new products, and new products always have new features that were not available on old products. You buy an IPAD2 and it has features that were not available on the IPAD1.

Three or four years from now there will be a Kronos successor. I suspect it will also include instruments called "EXis". It will have features the Kronos does not.

And what about the EP-1 ? How hard would that be ?

I am guessing development costs would start at $50,000 and could be higher. Given the OASYS is bringing in $0 new revenue for Korg, it's not going to happen.

[curvebender]

I am guessing development costs would start at $50,000 and could be higher. Given the OASYS is bringing in $0 new revenue for Korg, it's not going to happen.

I for one would gladly pay for an EP-1 EXi in my Oasys, no doubt about it.

[curvebender]

I am guessing development costs would start at $50,000 and could be higher. Given the OASYS is bringing in $0 new revenue for Korg, it's not going to happen.

I for one would gladly pay for an EP-1 EXi in my Oasys, no doubt about it.

Although I'm fully aware that it will never happen.

[TonyGen]

@TonyGen

Really sorry to hear about that major hassle. Must be a nightmare dealing with the insurance, Police etc, but seems some natural justice was at play in the end. Sending positive waves.

Cheers cello. They also stole keys to two Mercedes cars (wife's and daughters'). I am out of pocket over £2,000 to replace all three vehicle and house locks plus insurance excesses. I will claim from them in court but I ain't holding my breath. No doubt they will be scrounging on benefits and be unable to pay. I now have a baseball bat shaped piece of wood beside the bed...

BTW when I get around to unlocking MOD-7 I'll let you know whether it's as good as a Yamaha SY99....

[Rocness]

What Korg did Promise was to add expansion instruments as they develop them , again watch and listen carefully at 1:25 to 1:45 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQJhpWvqqK4 .

Korg did not promise to add expansion instruments to the OASYS forever.

The OASYS was released in 2005 that's hardly forever it's more like 6 years dude . Do you work for Korg ?

And what about the EP-1 ? How hard would that be ?

I am guessing development costs would start at $50,000 and could be higher. Given the OASYS is bringing in $0 new revenue for Korg, it's not going to happen.

$50,000 why , I thought the Kronos was the Oasys .
I bet they could do it for very little
but there betting on Oasys users to go and buy a kronos .
Aging don't get me wrong , I think it's very nice that korg
is unlocking every thing for oasys
but they still did not keep there promise .
Some of you guys have very short memories ,
I don't , I will never forget .
KORG SAID THEY WOULD ADD EXPANSION INSTRUMENTS TO OASYS AS THEY DEVELOPED THEM . They did say that !
Remember this
(:40 to 1:10 ) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlvmUNlmcmQ

Don't tell me about a iPad a iPad2 or a Kronos because none of those where marketed as a $8000 instrument , OPEN to add new technologies as they become available . Oasys was marketed like that .
I would gladly pay for EP-1 .

[apex]

Which means no value unless we spend more with Korg!

Maybe I'm missing something but:

1. Great if you have a locked O - it's now offered to be completely unlocked
2. Bad for OASYS users who did spend more money with Korg for two reasons, that money is now wasted and the premium residual value of a fully unlocked OASYS has been neutralised
3. Bad for unlocked O users as unless you get a Kronos there is nothing on offer
4. Bad for unlocked O users because if you do want the offer you need to spend several thousand pounds more
5. Bad for unlocked O users because the more money that they spent is being rewarded with nothing from Korg

I find this absolutely amazingly, shockingly bad marketing. Great news of course for locked O users but I can't believe the contempt that Korg is showing O users who did spend more money.

(and before Danatkorg chimes in - no I didn't pay Korg to unlock my O; I bought it second hand BUT paid a premium over other Os at the time because it was unlocked).

So, my question remains, given that locked O users are getting something for nothing, what is Korg offering for nothing to those customers who spent more on their O? An offer based on spending more thousands is not an offer at all and is worthless.

Am seriously glad I cancelled my order for the K-61 now (did it yesterday in fact) - am seriously beginning to hate the sight of it and everything it represents.

what you are saying is not really fair... consider this. If I purchased a fully premium xbox 360 when they were initially released, I would have gotten a measly 20 GB hard drive with it. Or if I purchased an Xbox 360 (regular version) I would not have gotten ANY hard drive. Now XBOX is offering a newly improved XBOX that comes with a 250 GB hard drive.

Is it fair for me to want them to give me a larger hard drive as a reward for purchasing early? to even the score with late/new adopters?

In the world we live in. Most of the things we purchase lose value over time. And that's one of the bad things about being SOOOOO eager to purchase NEW technology as soon as it hits the shelves. It's almost certain that the price is going to drop and the product will be improved.

It seems crazy, but it almost pays to wait.

[Kontrol49]

Do you work for Korg ?

With all of his posts defending Korg to the hills on every aspect I'm starting to wonder that myself!

I also see Mr Hines edited his post from this morning cross examining my opinion of Oasys being half baked and strongly disagreeing over my view of the Oasys,and putting words into my mouth that I was getting at Oasys was poor,I never said this,I was commenting on its workflow and concept as a workstation which in my case has become simply a soundsource more than a Workstation environment,

the fact that I still own my Oasys and he has ditched his in favour of I suspect a Kronos,(starting his post with "as a former Oasys owner")blah blah blah

Then pointing at my view about my criticism of the Oasys being half baked kind of says it all why he decided to edit his own posts,as it looks totally hypocritical of saying how wonderful Oasys was in his eyes.

so if its not half baked why did you ditch it in favour of the model which has more options,kind of says how you feel about it.

I still own my Oasys and will for a many number of years,irrespective of the opinion I feel its not finished as a system if I had any reservations it wasn't a wonderful machine I would have sold it on a long time ago!

I welcome what Korg have done in terms of these codes for the engines,and expect to get a little bit more mileage out of the Oasys as a result but still have the view its not quite what it could or should be hence why we have the Kronos as it seems Korg also view it like that or they could have continued the Oasys concept period in the existing form,for whatever reasons financial or not they decided it had run its course.

I wasn't going to rise to the bait but can't let this pass given he's always quick to leap to the defense of everything Korg does and can do no wrong kind of find it rather blase,given no-one seems to be allowed a subjective opinion in his eyes when its comes to Korg,even though some of us have been buying Korg since 1989.

[razzaq1]

I believe that OASYS users would be VERY happy if KORG sent each OASYS user a voucher for a free copy of the long-awaited REINCARNATED sound set from KARMA-LAB.

It would be a well-earned reward from KORG for Stephen and Eric's long hard work and invaluable support for the KORG platform.

... and we'd all see a new lease of life for our OASYSes

[StephenKay]

Sorry for all this confusion.

The letter was sent by a Mr. Kato (without "h" in the end). I had missed the info of Katoh (with "h" in the end) having died in March - shame on me - and I'm sorry to learn that now.

I just read "Kato" at the end of the letter and confused it with the founder - my apologizes.

Anyhow, my major point was the content of this letter ... not the senders identity. But it seems the content didn't create lot's of interest either.

Seiki Kato is the founder's son. Katoh is one of those names in Japanese that can be spelled several ways in English, Kato being the other.
Maybe you already figured that out, I didn't read the whole thread.

[curvebender]

I would gladly pay for EP-1 .

So, there are at least two of us who would pay for having EP-1 in the Oasys.

Come on Korg, do your thing!!

[Akos Janca]

Thank you, Mr. Seiki Kato.

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[Sharp]

Thank you, Mr. Seiki Kato.

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Nice touch when Mr. Kato could have just waved a finger and commanded staff to use the email database of korguser.net to contact every OASYS user.

Sometimes snail mail is nice, and in this case it gets a two thumbs up from me.

Regards
Sharp