That's pretty much the way it goes up here, too. Though, to be fair, you do see the occasional TOTL arranger on display. I think North America in general is too guitar oriented, and all the younger guys are into the newer musics so it's the synths and software stuff that they're into and arrangers are strictly old fart territory to them.
It's a bit different in Europe, as there's a strong tradition of organ players and very active organ societies and clubs, and arrangers are well into the mix since many, but certainly not all, arranger players are ex-organ players. And for the youngsters over there, arrangers don't seem to carry the same stigma that seems to prevail here.
It's a bit strange really, when you think that the predominant home organs started in the U.S. with Hammond, Lowrey, etc. I don't really know why the organ club scenario doesn't happen here in North America.
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Hi Nedim,
are you still using XG Works?? Have you actually got it working with a Win7 operating system???
[quote="BasariStudios"]The problem is that many people dont understand YAMAHAs way of doing
thing and its structure (and i do very well cuz i suffered with that a lot).
What they dont know is that almost NOTHING can be done on the synths,
without a PC and XG Works
are you still using XG Works?? Have you actually got it working with a Win7 operating system???
[quote="BasariStudios"]The problem is that many people dont understand YAMAHAs way of doing
thing and its structure (and i do very well cuz i suffered with that a lot).
What they dont know is that almost NOTHING can be done on the synths,
without a PC and XG Works
best wishes
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After looking for weeks at arrangers and settling on the PA3X, I'm finding it impossible to buy in Canada.***
I'm therefore back to looking at the Tyros 4. I realize this is a forum of Korg lovers but please be gentle, I'm a virgin. I'm just a home hacker, not even good enough to play for my wife, never mind anyone else. I'm liking arrangers because they can do a lot of the playing for me.
I would NEVER be gigging, and likely not seriously composing. I likely won't tweak sounds much (though I would not be buying many of Yamaha's ridiculously-overpriced voices, etc., either). In short, some of the obvious advantages of the PA3X over the Tyros 4 may not be as important to me as to others.
In this scenario, would Korg owners still shout, "No!" to the idea of buying the readily-available Tyros 4? If so, why? I have read back through this thread and got some ideas, but most of the posts were written when the PA3X was still a rumour. Now that people have more hands-on experience with it, what would I kick myself for if I bought a Tyros 4 instead?
Thanks much for any and all input.
*** I've called most of Korg's/Jam Industries' Pro and Home dealers across Canada, and a substantial majority of them don't even know what the PA3X is (!!).
A few dealers have received and immediately sold through one or two units, but they and the very few other dealers with units on backorder are being told they won't see them until late October or November.
In the U.S., where units are reportedly flowing in a bit better, the dealers I called all had lists of customers waiting for them to come in, and no stock. I might do better ordering there, but I might not.
I'm therefore back to looking at the Tyros 4. I realize this is a forum of Korg lovers but please be gentle, I'm a virgin. I'm just a home hacker, not even good enough to play for my wife, never mind anyone else. I'm liking arrangers because they can do a lot of the playing for me.
I would NEVER be gigging, and likely not seriously composing. I likely won't tweak sounds much (though I would not be buying many of Yamaha's ridiculously-overpriced voices, etc., either). In short, some of the obvious advantages of the PA3X over the Tyros 4 may not be as important to me as to others.
In this scenario, would Korg owners still shout, "No!" to the idea of buying the readily-available Tyros 4? If so, why? I have read back through this thread and got some ideas, but most of the posts were written when the PA3X was still a rumour. Now that people have more hands-on experience with it, what would I kick myself for if I bought a Tyros 4 instead?
Thanks much for any and all input.
*** I've called most of Korg's/Jam Industries' Pro and Home dealers across Canada, and a substantial majority of them don't even know what the PA3X is (!!).
A few dealers have received and immediately sold through one or two units, but they and the very few other dealers with units on backorder are being told they won't see them until late October or November.
In the U.S., where units are reportedly flowing in a bit better, the dealers I called all had lists of customers waiting for them to come in, and no stock. I might do better ordering there, but I might not.
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Hi - it is very sad that you are not able to locate the PA3X in Canada.
To me the PA2X and PA3X don't compare to the Tyros BUT you say:-
If you need one urgently then I am sure you'll have a lot of fun with the Tyros.
You ask:-
If you wanna have lots of fun playing at home, the T4 will be great however please bear in mind that it is a more expensive keyboard - good luck with your decision - if you can wait.......
Don't know if this helps at all...
Pete
To me the PA2X and PA3X don't compare to the Tyros BUT you say:-
As a "home" keyboard the T4 would be fine however please note that the PA3X is hard to get everywhere right now. I am having to wait 3 months for my PA3X-76.. If you can afford to wait, you will end up with a much superior arranger and a lower price too!!I would NEVER be gigging, and likely not seriously composing. I likely won't tweak sounds much (though I would not be buying many of Yamaha's ridiculously-overpriced voices, etc., either). In short, some of the obvious advantages of the PA3X over the Tyros 4 may not be as important to me as to others.
If you need one urgently then I am sure you'll have a lot of fun with the Tyros.
You ask:-
Firstly, I don't have mine yet but I can only comment on my experiences with the T3 and PA2XPro. Most of my issues would not to relate to you from your comments and requirements above.Now that people have more hands-on experience with it, what would I kick myself for if I bought a Tyros 4 instead?
If you wanna have lots of fun playing at home, the T4 will be great however please bear in mind that it is a more expensive keyboard - good luck with your decision - if you can wait.......
Don't know if this helps at all...
Pete
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Thanks Pete, it does help. In only a few weeks I've seen many thoughtful posts by you here. Your not saying, "No, don't do it!" suggests that I'm not completely crazy to at least consider this idea in my situation.If you wanna have lots of fun playing at home, the T4 will be great however please bear in mind that it is a more expensive keyboard - good luck with your decision - if you can wait.......
Don't know if this helps at all...
So I get to agonize further about it... thanks a lot!
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Dikikeys
Just a small post on this topic from a long time Roland user (and Korg user, if you count Triton's, etc.!).
It strikes me that each arranger out there is quite unique... It's pretty obvious from listening to them all that they all have VERY different sounds, and VERY different style types, strengths and philosophies.
I am amazed that anyone could honestly have a problem deciding. So far, I haven't seen or heard ANYTHING that does it ALL well. Not only does the overall 'sound' vary quite drastically between them all, but the style philosophy would make anyone pay serious attention, too. Some have MUCH fuller styles, often quite busy, with lots of passing chords and licks, and for the player that likes to play as much himself, these can be quite a challenge to 'sit in' with. Some have fairly sparse styles that allow the player more room.
Some excel in the areas of showtunes, or smooth jazz, or rock and funk. Again, nothing I've seen and heard does it ALL as well as the others combined.
Some have full editing, some as good as many WS's. Some, very little at all, or you have to jump through some quite convoluted hoops to get down to the nitty gritty. Some have a VERY even sound, little variation from style to style, which if that's what you are looking for, you are good to go.
Some sound like a CD, some sound like a live band. But once again, nothing that does BOTH.
So, when choosing an arranger, you have three questions to ask yourself...
Do I want to play a lot, or do I want the arranger to do most of it for me.?
Do I prefer playing Broadway and showtunes, funk and reggae, smooth jazz and swing, or whatever..? Narrow it down to your favorite genres.
Do I like tweaking a synth to be my own sound, or do I just want it all done for me (and what IS the sound that I prefer)?
If you can answer those three, your choices are almost GONE!
I only wish there WERE more choice, but the big three or four are SO different, I have trouble understanding why anyone has a problem choosing!
It strikes me that each arranger out there is quite unique... It's pretty obvious from listening to them all that they all have VERY different sounds, and VERY different style types, strengths and philosophies.
I am amazed that anyone could honestly have a problem deciding. So far, I haven't seen or heard ANYTHING that does it ALL well. Not only does the overall 'sound' vary quite drastically between them all, but the style philosophy would make anyone pay serious attention, too. Some have MUCH fuller styles, often quite busy, with lots of passing chords and licks, and for the player that likes to play as much himself, these can be quite a challenge to 'sit in' with. Some have fairly sparse styles that allow the player more room.
Some excel in the areas of showtunes, or smooth jazz, or rock and funk. Again, nothing I've seen and heard does it ALL as well as the others combined.
Some have full editing, some as good as many WS's. Some, very little at all, or you have to jump through some quite convoluted hoops to get down to the nitty gritty. Some have a VERY even sound, little variation from style to style, which if that's what you are looking for, you are good to go.
Some sound like a CD, some sound like a live band. But once again, nothing that does BOTH.
So, when choosing an arranger, you have three questions to ask yourself...
Do I want to play a lot, or do I want the arranger to do most of it for me.?
Do I prefer playing Broadway and showtunes, funk and reggae, smooth jazz and swing, or whatever..? Narrow it down to your favorite genres.
Do I like tweaking a synth to be my own sound, or do I just want it all done for me (and what IS the sound that I prefer)?
If you can answer those three, your choices are almost GONE!
I only wish there WERE more choice, but the big three or four are SO different, I have trouble understanding why anyone has a problem choosing!
Dikikeys, thanks for taking the time to reply.
So, do I wait for the PA3X, or get the Tyros 4, or something else?
Thanks again.
Some people don't have your knowledge & experience. I'm one, know nearly nothing, only HEARD about arrangers a month ago, only "know" them from hunting online. I want to move up from an ancient Yamaha V50 on which I've never made myself proud and try getting more serious about making music on a keyboard, mostly just for myself.Dikikeys wrote:I have trouble understanding why anyone has a problem choosing!
The arranger can do most of it for me. If I can easily make my own sparser styles down the road a ways, bonus.Dikikeys wrote:So, when choosing an arranger, you have three questions to ask yourself...
Do I want to play a lot, or do I want the arranger to do most of it for me.?
None of the above are at the top of my list, but my list would be eclectic to say the least. Pop and rock tunes, church organ (pipe organ) music, orchestral and big band, some classical, country, choral... that's a start!Dikikeys wrote:Do I prefer playing Broadway and showtunes, funk and reggae, smooth jazz and swing, or whatever..? Narrow it down to your favorite genres.
Tweaking sounds doesn't feel like a top priority to me, I got weary fast of doing that on the V50. I expect it would be a while before the hundreds of sounds in the leading arrangers got tired. However I would not want to be boxed out of tweaking them, which you suggest some arrangers do. In a couple of years I might want to be fiddling with sounds myself.Dikikeys wrote:Do I like tweaking a synth to be my own sound, or do I just want it all done for me (and what IS the sound that I prefer)?
So, do I wait for the PA3X, or get the Tyros 4, or something else?
Thanks again.
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Dikikeys
All I would say is, at the price that these things are, unless you can get a store to accept a return at no loss to you, I wouldn't make this decision unless you have actually PLAYED each of them.
Web demos, particularly from the factory, seldom show an arranger's weaknesses, and at the end of the day, sometimes those are the real dealbreakers.
But, as you admit you are only JUST getting your feet wet with arrangers AT ALL, why not try something a bit more downmarket? The trouble with arrangers is, they don't hold a good resale value for very long, and it seems you are looking only at the very TOTL, a very expensive way of finding out if they work for you.
Perhaps you might try to buy a more MOTL arranger like a PA800, or a PSR S910, and see if these will do the job, rather than agonizing over which $3-4k arranger you want to START with... You can find decent S/H units fairly easily, and perhaps even, for the price of one TOTL unit, buy 2 or 3 MOTL s/h units from different manufacturers and have the best (almost!) of all worlds!
You would also be putting yourself in a position to lose less money if one or more don't float your boat, as s/h units lose less from purchase to resale. Personally, if I had $3500 or so to drop, and wasn't sure what I wanted, I'd think long and hard about that option. IMO, you get a better result from mixing and matching gear from different manufacturers, and using each for their strengths and avoiding their weaknesses, than putting all your eggs in one basket and HAVING to accept its' weaknesses along with its strengths.
But this is JMO, your mileage might vary, etc., etc.!
Web demos, particularly from the factory, seldom show an arranger's weaknesses, and at the end of the day, sometimes those are the real dealbreakers.
But, as you admit you are only JUST getting your feet wet with arrangers AT ALL, why not try something a bit more downmarket? The trouble with arrangers is, they don't hold a good resale value for very long, and it seems you are looking only at the very TOTL, a very expensive way of finding out if they work for you.
Perhaps you might try to buy a more MOTL arranger like a PA800, or a PSR S910, and see if these will do the job, rather than agonizing over which $3-4k arranger you want to START with... You can find decent S/H units fairly easily, and perhaps even, for the price of one TOTL unit, buy 2 or 3 MOTL s/h units from different manufacturers and have the best (almost!) of all worlds!
You would also be putting yourself in a position to lose less money if one or more don't float your boat, as s/h units lose less from purchase to resale. Personally, if I had $3500 or so to drop, and wasn't sure what I wanted, I'd think long and hard about that option. IMO, you get a better result from mixing and matching gear from different manufacturers, and using each for their strengths and avoiding their weaknesses, than putting all your eggs in one basket and HAVING to accept its' weaknesses along with its strengths.
But this is JMO, your mileage might vary, etc., etc.!
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Amen, T4 =CD, PA3X=live band.Dikikeys wrote:Just a small post on this topic from a long time Roland user (and Korg user, if you count Triton's, etc.!).
Some sound like a CD, some sound like a live band. But once again, nothing that does BOTH.
So, when choosing an arranger, you have three questions to ask yourself...
Do I want to play a lot, or do I want the arranger to do most of it for me.?
Do I prefer playing Broadway and showtunes, funk and reggae, smooth jazz and swing, or whatever..? Narrow it down to your favorite genres.
Do I like tweaking a synth to be my own sound, or do I just want it all done for me (and what IS the sound that I prefer)?
If you can answer those three, your choices are almost GONE!
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Stooop Guys, Please This units are not the same, T 4 More Quality sounds, Almoust like VST, Pa 3 X Is great Editable unit, You must make all on PA3X , In T 4 Its there and , YAMY says PLAY, Dont stirr, , In both concept there is minus and plus, I looove the T 4 Couse of the new thinking Sounds and styles, And after so many claim, KORG putted in some NEW styles that sounds Great Like T 4, Ambient slow is one EXMPL,
I heave one thing to say, Sound, = T 4, Editing = 3 X
VH better on T 4, HD recording is a Plus, Ligth unit TAKE A WAY!
Great design no Touch = minus
KORG 3 X
Super editings, Same concept in new Box, FX is ok, Sounds Is OK, Styles ( REMIXED 2 X) LCD = superb, Touch respons must be better, OS = NOT DONE YET!
Sampling edit SUPER, Sound edit, Well, The best, MP 3 Vocal remover = %&/()=!(/&% Sory!!!
Ergonomi OK
HAVY, METAL, Must be body builder , Hehehe
In the end, Its great to heave them all.
I heave one thing to say, Sound, = T 4, Editing = 3 X
VH better on T 4, HD recording is a Plus, Ligth unit TAKE A WAY!
Great design no Touch = minus
KORG 3 X
Super editings, Same concept in new Box, FX is ok, Sounds Is OK, Styles ( REMIXED 2 X) LCD = superb, Touch respons must be better, OS = NOT DONE YET!
Sampling edit SUPER, Sound edit, Well, The best, MP 3 Vocal remover = %&/()=!(/&% Sory!!!
Ergonomi OK
HAVY, METAL, Must be body builder , Hehehe
In the end, Its great to heave them all.
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Interesting thread.
I used to own a Korg Pa1x Pro, and now I own a Tyros 4.
The Pa1x Pro was basically a Korg Triton with Arranger features. I thought that was pretty cool since this is what I replaced my old Triton with.
I've needed arranger functions for ages, but always resisted because for the longest time, nothing could replace beloved sounds from my 01/W, M1, and XP-30.
To this date I haven't heard a newer Korg synth come stock with the M1's E. Piano (Prog 11), or the 01/W's "DynoPiano" (Combi B:81). And it took a few generations for the M1's acoustic piano to show up again in newer Korgs (sorry guys).
I moved to the Triton becuase of its sampling capability, and I ended up sampling every sound I wanted that the Triton didn't have.
I then moved to the Pa1X Pro, again primarily because of the sampling.
But I was blown away by the Tyros 4 styles, and it's sampling capability let me keep my own samples as well.
Having compared a Pa3X Pro, I'm finding it to be almost exactly the same as a Pa1X Pro, except with a lot of editing features that I don't need. It wasn't worth the jump to me.
Tyros 4 however, was:
1. Lighter
2. Much better sounding than the Korg offerings out of the box.
3. Cool enough to look professional without trying to look "edgy".
So it was a no brainer for me.
I love going to gigs and people watching me pull the Tyros out. They expect some Yamaha rinky dink noise like those old PSR's, and what they hear is orchestral level quality.
There are some cons with it though, and I will admit these are highly annoying:
1. The Flash ROM expansion is super expensive! I bought the 512m for $200somethingodddollarsUS. At least I don't have to reload samples every single time now.
2. The synth is VERY weak for Trance. Most of the "dance" style on the board are for party style anthems. Nothing the likes of Nitrous Oxide, Hydro Aquatic, or even Ferry Corsten. (The Korgs are worse though)
3. Forget sound editing. I used to sample my sounds with no effects from my old boards, and then load them into my next Korg, and redo the FX from scratch to my liking. Even with the Tyros 4 PC Editor, I cannot get FX to come even close. I've had to resample a lot of my sounds WITH the original Korg FX so they sound passage.
I, however, love the Resonant Filter on the Tyros, it kicks the lame Korg filters in the balls! The major problems with the FX is that you are severely limited in editing what they do. All my Korgs have a gazillion settings to get FX just right. On the Yahama, select an effect, and the level, and that's pretty much all you can do. So if you want good multisamples on a Tyros 4, it is possible, but expect to jump thru 10 hoops to do so.
4. It's almost impossible to edit styles to your liking unless you jump thru another 10 hoops to do so. I'm just slowly starting to learn how to do this.
5. The premium packs are extremely overpriced. I payed $150somethingodddollarsUS for it, and out of it, I got 2 useful FM Electric Piano sounds. They sound great, but basically I payed $75 per sound. I might have been better off buying a DX7 and sampling it.
I think I made the right choice, since the board sounds killer, but to customize it you'll be running into a brick wall for weeks.
I used to own a Korg Pa1x Pro, and now I own a Tyros 4.
The Pa1x Pro was basically a Korg Triton with Arranger features. I thought that was pretty cool since this is what I replaced my old Triton with.
I've needed arranger functions for ages, but always resisted because for the longest time, nothing could replace beloved sounds from my 01/W, M1, and XP-30.
To this date I haven't heard a newer Korg synth come stock with the M1's E. Piano (Prog 11), or the 01/W's "DynoPiano" (Combi B:81). And it took a few generations for the M1's acoustic piano to show up again in newer Korgs (sorry guys).
I moved to the Triton becuase of its sampling capability, and I ended up sampling every sound I wanted that the Triton didn't have.
I then moved to the Pa1X Pro, again primarily because of the sampling.
But I was blown away by the Tyros 4 styles, and it's sampling capability let me keep my own samples as well.
Having compared a Pa3X Pro, I'm finding it to be almost exactly the same as a Pa1X Pro, except with a lot of editing features that I don't need. It wasn't worth the jump to me.
Tyros 4 however, was:
1. Lighter
2. Much better sounding than the Korg offerings out of the box.
3. Cool enough to look professional without trying to look "edgy".
So it was a no brainer for me.
I love going to gigs and people watching me pull the Tyros out. They expect some Yamaha rinky dink noise like those old PSR's, and what they hear is orchestral level quality.
There are some cons with it though, and I will admit these are highly annoying:
1. The Flash ROM expansion is super expensive! I bought the 512m for $200somethingodddollarsUS. At least I don't have to reload samples every single time now.
2. The synth is VERY weak for Trance. Most of the "dance" style on the board are for party style anthems. Nothing the likes of Nitrous Oxide, Hydro Aquatic, or even Ferry Corsten. (The Korgs are worse though)
3. Forget sound editing. I used to sample my sounds with no effects from my old boards, and then load them into my next Korg, and redo the FX from scratch to my liking. Even with the Tyros 4 PC Editor, I cannot get FX to come even close. I've had to resample a lot of my sounds WITH the original Korg FX so they sound passage.
I, however, love the Resonant Filter on the Tyros, it kicks the lame Korg filters in the balls! The major problems with the FX is that you are severely limited in editing what they do. All my Korgs have a gazillion settings to get FX just right. On the Yahama, select an effect, and the level, and that's pretty much all you can do. So if you want good multisamples on a Tyros 4, it is possible, but expect to jump thru 10 hoops to do so.
4. It's almost impossible to edit styles to your liking unless you jump thru another 10 hoops to do so. I'm just slowly starting to learn how to do this.
5. The premium packs are extremely overpriced. I payed $150somethingodddollarsUS for it, and out of it, I got 2 useful FM Electric Piano sounds. They sound great, but basically I payed $75 per sound. I might have been better off buying a DX7 and sampling it.
I think I made the right choice, since the board sounds killer, but to customize it you'll be running into a brick wall for weeks.
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I think this is where the market splits into "professional" & "home".Vex wrote:Yamaha offers more "out of the box"
I don't mean this in a derogatory manner at all - Yamaha focus on home playing with their arrangers and Korg have always focused on the more professional side even since the i3 (no speakers, solid, rugged and extremely flexible). I still think that the PA series can equally be used "out of the box".
I actually re-visited many youtube demos of the T4 last night. Yamaha went overkill with the "vocal" backings almost to the extent of irritation. The OS is still inferior OR IS IT? Well IMO, it suits the market of home users. I like the Yamaha sounds but the "arranger" components are a long way behind (specifically in terms of the OS). I've owned many Yamaha arrangers and loved them all - my last one was the PSR 6700 (76-note) - that was more "professional" than the T4 - I performed live with that model several times and felt like I was playing a serious piece of gear - again, just my opinion.
When/if Yamaha switch into a "professional/performing/recording" mode when designing their next arranger, then Korg may well have some competition - Ketron came close a fair while ago but then lost the plot - I have to admit I was very interested in that keyboard when it was first announced.
Tyros is packaged to even look like a "fun" keyboard. T1, T2, T3, T4 - all much the same really - I don't see a revolutionary change happening too soon.
I cannot work with Yamaha styles as I find them too rigid and repetitive and yet some on this forum think they are awesome - it is always in the ears and eyes of the beholder and will always be very subjective, however it gives us something to chat about.
NO - I am not "down" on Yamaha, just extremely "up" on Korg.
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Just to add a tiny bit here. I have both T4 and PA3X. IMO they are very different indeed. I do think the average age of ownership differs too. When I go to local T4 demos or concerts you need to be 65 to get in (lol and respect). But T4 is very easy to use all round - straight off. So it has a market for the more mature.
PA3X is also easily used straight out of the box but then more difficult to get used to other things. The voice processor on T4 is really just a novelty. On PA3 it is exceptional. The articulation on some of the T4 voices is superb and PA3 cannot match - although defined nuance brings it closer.
Overall T4 sounds like you are listening to a CD when playing styles - a high fidelity , pristine sound. But the PA3 gives an uncanny organic realism in styles not matched by T4. Some of the T4 styles however are very clever indeed.
And you can keep going on - Sometimes T4 is better. Sometimes not. Sometimes PA3 is better, sometimes not. T4 is much easier to operate all round. The learning curve is less. But you can delve more into PA3 with a steeper curve.
It's like comparing Korg M3 with Motif XS or Kronos with Motif XF. They are different beasts. I still have a Roland Fantom X8 from years ago but it remains a very fine instrument with a depth in variety of samples that say the Korg range can't match. But then people might disagree with that statement straight away. As long as we all respect each others opinions and free will that is the main thing and just leaves personal choice as a deciding factor in purchases made.
PA3X is also easily used straight out of the box but then more difficult to get used to other things. The voice processor on T4 is really just a novelty. On PA3 it is exceptional. The articulation on some of the T4 voices is superb and PA3 cannot match - although defined nuance brings it closer.
Overall T4 sounds like you are listening to a CD when playing styles - a high fidelity , pristine sound. But the PA3 gives an uncanny organic realism in styles not matched by T4. Some of the T4 styles however are very clever indeed.
And you can keep going on - Sometimes T4 is better. Sometimes not. Sometimes PA3 is better, sometimes not. T4 is much easier to operate all round. The learning curve is less. But you can delve more into PA3 with a steeper curve.
It's like comparing Korg M3 with Motif XS or Kronos with Motif XF. They are different beasts. I still have a Roland Fantom X8 from years ago but it remains a very fine instrument with a depth in variety of samples that say the Korg range can't match. But then people might disagree with that statement straight away. As long as we all respect each others opinions and free will that is the main thing and just leaves personal choice as a deciding factor in purchases made.