Does Kronos Live loop?

Darkmata · Post by **Darkmata** » Sat Aug 27, 2011 6:07 am

Does Kronos Live loop?...... like ableton records loops and automation? or even like the kaossilater pro? or do you have to bring a laptop with you to a gig?......I hope this isn't a stupid question for i don't know much about how hardware sequencers work

Post by **Sharp** » Sat Aug 27, 2011 10:50 am

No, but it has a 16 track HDR built in, Resampling, Time Slice functions and countless other goodies.

You can get seriously creative with those and even control the effects engine assigned to the Vector Joystick or other controllers.

You won't be able to jump into this live and without stopping hear everything back, but the scope of what you can achieve is mind bending if you plan ahead first.

Regards
Sharp

Darkmata · Post by **Darkmata** » Sat Aug 27, 2011 11:59 am

ok so i guess i'd have to run it via midi into ableton as a DAW and let ableton take control of live looping, no biggy i guess it would have been great to have it all in one unit, i think i'm asking for 2 much or is there something out there like that?

Post by **Sharp** » Sat Aug 27, 2011 12:20 pm

Maybe I'm not understanding exactly what you want to do either.....

What about the RPPR Mode.
Realtime Pattern Play and Record

Sounds to me that's more like what your after if it's midi data your looking to loop in real-time and not samples.

Regards
Sharp.

X-Trade · Post by **X-Trade** » Sat Aug 27, 2011 12:36 pm

If you're talking about recording and instantly playing back a loop in realtime, then I'm not sure that RPPR will help you.

Although it is really cool for performing looped stuff live where you've already recorded the MIDI data - that's pretty much like what Ableton does with preprepared stuff too.

There might be a looper IFX. Not sure but I think there's one in my KARMA(Triton).
It would be a bit of a waste of FX slots to use lots of them but if you're doing a mix of live and preprepared stuff then it may help.

Darkmata · Post by **Darkmata** » Sat Aug 27, 2011 11:56 pm

RPPR Mode doesn't sound like it will work, sorry i'm pretty new to the synth world so thanx for bearing with me

, what i like to do is listen to a looped beat and in real time add synth layers, when it gets to the end of the beat, i click on stop record in an ableton midi clip and it automatically plays what i just played as a loop alongside the beat, then i can change instruments and layer another loop, then i do a beatbox or something into my kaoss pad 3, which is midi clock synced, which adds another layer. This is what i will be doing live, just layering the lets say 16 bars until it sounds huge then i can take parts away and add them at the press of a button on my ableton controller (APC40) to htave song structure, all live but and without stopping...no pre recorded clips, everything created on the spot

apex · Post by **apex** » Sun Aug 28, 2011 12:40 am

thisbwoukd be possible if you could change parts while recording.... I know on the older korg sequencers uoubwoukd just go to the recording options and then make it loop and it would loop constantly while you record....but it only does one part...you can't change parts.

Darkmata · Post by **Darkmata** » Sun Aug 28, 2011 1:41 am

apex wrote:thisbwoukd be possible if you could change parts while recording.... I know on the older korg sequencers uoubwoukd just go to the recording options and then make it loop and it would loop constantly while you record....but it only does one part...you can't change parts.

If ya check out at 10:10 he gets a loop goin, i don't know if it's recorded in the synth or an external device?
I'm sure the Kronos will link up with ableton Live's power, i just hopes it gives me complete PC control of the synth recording loops and automation within loops
I'l check out the Karma, Fn flatemates used up all the internet, i'm on dial-up

it's hard to check s**t out....right when i get my operation recon knee too!

Shakil · Post by **Shakil** » Mon Aug 29, 2011 2:44 pm

The closest you can get to Abelton Live type looping on a workstation is on Fantom-G and Fantom-X..... Fantoms loop while recording and playback, and you also get autotime stretch, so your MIDI and Audio tracks stay in sync.

Darkmata · Post by **Darkmata** » Tue Aug 30, 2011 12:33 am

good to know, thanx Shakil, i didn't think it would be that hard a function for korg, as in to replicate the KPro and the KP3's looping control capabilities... i guess if i want the tones of a kronos i'l have to link it to ableton, for i like recording in midi loops that record automation within the loop and an be changed at the tweak of a knob

nowtime · Post by **nowtime** » Tue Aug 30, 2011 1:39 am

Yeah - looping is the bees' knees. I love setting up multiple tracks of inputs and with a push of the Launchpad's buttons getting perfectly cut loops of any length.

Even more, I love Ableton Looper's first-loop-sets-tempo function. Play a bass line or beat or whatever and the sequencer's tempo gets set to your naturally-played tempo for further looping and layering. I love the overdub function too, so musical when playing with the percentage amount, as old parts fade away and newer parts take their place.

I can't for the life of me figure out why every drum machine and keyboard does not inlcude at least a basic looper and perhaps a tempo calculator for first-loop-sets-tempo.

Darkmata · Post by **Darkmata** » Tue Aug 30, 2011 3:24 am

does my head in too! what about a midi looping hardware pedal or something,.... if it doesn't exist, it should! building a loop from scratch and layering it is so fun!
i'm loving that OVR button too, so easy to find the best melody for that instrument and then move on to another layer.....writing pieces on the fly, i like the music to write itself.
I guess, all of this thread cements the fact that to have something like ableton, i need ableton.....although id love to see the looping functions of a Fantom X or G as Shakil mentioned. Is there any demos in detail of this function anywhere on the net?

rrricky rrrecordo · Post by **rrricky rrrecordo** » Tue Aug 30, 2011 4:12 am

Darkmata wrote:does my head in too! what about a midi looping hardware pedal or something,.... if it doesn't exist, it should! building a loop from scratch and layering it is so fun!

Korg recreates wicked hardware in software. If they could do an old SE-300/500 tape echo emulation and pimp it up with longer virtual tape... I have a 300 and the tape feed system is a work of art

Another Korg tank

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3omn-7WccA

Darkmata · Post by **Darkmata** » Tue Aug 30, 2011 5:56 am

I'm trying to get away from depending on a laptop but, i'm happy with the software i have, as for tape echo you can't edit the individual layers, automation etc

rrricky rrrecordo · Post by **rrricky rrrecordo** » Tue Aug 30, 2011 6:07 am

Legacy MS-20 is polyphonic... why not Legacy SE-300? 8 banks, kinda like a living looping mellotron