9 Synth engines?

[philmagnotta]

while your statement is somewhat correct, it's also kinda wrong. The Triton was released in 1999 (I think)... it took until 2011 to get a piano that sounds like the one we were given in the Kronos.

I don't think the horn sounds are bad. I find them very usable and good. I've like the brass, strings, orchestral sections on the Korg instruments for a while now.

And who's to say that some don't find the guitars usable? I don't personally have a "great" problem with them... they could be better, but it's not worth complaining about the great instrument that we were given. If Korg had advertised the guitar as being an emulation like they did the piano or the electric piano, then I think you'd have more room for complaining... but as it is, I don't think you can.

And I still stand on what I said before... (in another thread), in the hands of the right programmer (with the time to do it), I believe the Kronos could produce a VERY realistic acoustic guitar patch.

Hi apex, thanks for your response.
How long it took to bring a quality piano to market is not the point of my post, since others supplied better pianos even before 1999 and others did so before 2011. That subject is in part due to market/sales/budget discussions rather than Korg's inability to provide a better one earlier than 2011, but continuing with your reply...

Even though you like the brass, strings, orchestral sections on the Korg instruments, I do not, especially as a violinist.
Please don't misunderstand me regarding violin because I know this is a very difficult instrument to evoke on a keyboard without sufficient money/investment.
I do agree with you 101% regarding creative programming with any of those class of instruments and I've had no other choice do to other than that with my compositions. Mostly they worked!

Also, as you stated... "If Korg had advertised the guitar as being an emulation like they did the piano or the electric piano, then I think you'd have more room for complaining... but as it is, I don't think you can."

Sure, that would subject the guitars to more critical review, but never the less, customers have the right to voice their views, especially considering that the product is an instrument designed for musical artistry- you know how artists can be.

As you said... "I believe the Kronos could produce a VERY realistic acoustic guitar patch."

For sure, as I have also stated and have done.
No doubt about it. I have managed to create very realistic programs within the context of composition, more so, than just a static program.

For my needs, even with my disappointment with certain Kronos emulative programs/samples, and as a one-stop hardware workstation,
I haven't seen anything better, although at this time, I have some concerns regarding build quality and other issues... a topic better discussed elsewhere.

[PinkFloydDudi]

while your statement is somewhat correct, it's also kinda wrong. The Triton was released in 1999 (I think)... it took until 2011 to get a piano that sounds like the one we were given in the Kronos.

I don't think the horn sounds are bad. I find them very usable and good. I've like the brass, strings, orchestral sections on the Korg instruments for a while now.

And who's to say that some don't find the guitars usable? I don't personally have a "great" problem with them... they could be better, but it's not worth complaining about the great instrument that we were given. If Korg had advertised the guitar as being an emulation like they did the piano or the electric piano, then I think you'd have more room for complaining... but as it is, I don't think you can.

And I still stand on what I said before... (in another thread), in the hands of the right programmer (with the time to do it), I believe the Kronos could produce a VERY realistic acoustic guitar patch.

Hi apex, thanks for your response.
How long it took to bring a quality piano to market is not the point of my post, since others supplied better pianos even before 1999 and others did so before 2011. That subject is in part due to market/sales/budget discussions rather than Korg's inability to provide a better one earlier than 2011, but continuing with your reply...

Even though you like the brass, strings, orchestral sections on the Korg instruments, I do not, especially as a violinist.
Please don't misunderstand me regarding violin because I know this is a very difficult instrument to evoke on a keyboard without sufficient money/investment.
I do agree with you 101% regarding creative programming with any of those class of instruments and I've had no other choice do to other than that with my compositions. Mostly they worked!

Also, as you stated... "If Korg had advertised the guitar as being an emulation like they did the piano or the electric piano, then I think you'd have more room for complaining... but as it is, I don't think you can."

Sure, that would subject the guitars to more critical review, but never the less, customers have the right to voice their views, especially considering that the product is an instrument designed for musical artistry- you know how artists can be.

As you said... "I believe the Kronos could produce a VERY realistic acoustic guitar patch."

For sure, as I have also stated and have done.
No doubt about it. I have managed to create very realistic programs within the context of composition, more so, than just a static program.

For my needs, even with my disappointment with certain Kronos emulative programs/samples, and as a one-stop hardware workstation,
I haven't seen anything better, although at this time, I have some concerns regarding build quality and other issues... a topic better discussed elsewhere.

While I would give brass an edge to the Roland JP80...I'm very curious if you think other keyboards out there have great guitars or strings? I've been disappointed by them all. So since one doesn't stick out as a winner for me, it comes down to "which sound is better in context of the song"...which can completely change on a song by song or even by parts of each song.

[philmagnotta]

"PinkFloydDudi"

While I would give brass an edge to the Roland JP80...I'm very curious if you think other keyboards out there have great guitars or strings? I've been disappointed by them all. So since one doesn't stick out as a winner for me, it comes down to "which sound is better in context of the song"...which can completely change on a song by song or even by parts of each song.

Quite true, PinkFloydDudi, especially regarding which manufacturer's sounds suit some arrangements better than others.
Also, not just the apparent static program, rather how controllers bring the program to the desired result for the specific intent.
It takes time, programming knowledge and an ear for just the right treatments, as you've stated.
Kurzweil's, in general have shown that even with modest sample memory were able to obtain surprising results- specifically certain string sections and orchestral treatments for certain applications, of course.
These, I find more useful for a wider variety of my applications.
I've had rather surprising results, according to others, using a Roland XV-5080 for slightly over driven jazz electric guitars, so there you go.
As for the the Kronos, I suppose I was hoping for equal effort to the rest of their imitative programs as was given to their Pianos.
The whole point to my initial response was to simply say that I welcome any, all critical comments when artists review artistically purposed instrumentation. However, a mature and respectful approach is always better.

[Shakil]

That's a great post.... but most of the complaints are NOT about the synthesis engine.... The complaints are about the workflow of sequencing...

[philmagnotta]

That's a great post.... but most of the complaints are NOT about the synthesis engine.... The complaints are about the workflow of sequencing...

Hi Shakil:
Perhaps you mistakenly replied here?
I surely do not understand your reference to workflow of the sequencer as I didn't find that to be discussed within this topic.
Would you care to explain please?

On the subject of seq. workflow, that would be of paramount interest to me, shall we pick this up by starting a new topic?

[Shakil]

Phil.... this is in reference to the original post that there are are a lot of talk about what KRONOS can not do. No need to start a new topic... a lot has been said about the Sequencer.

[philmagnotta]

That's a great post.... but most of the complaints are NOT about the synthesis engine.... The complaints are about the workflow of sequencing...

Phil.... this is in reference to the original post that there are are a lot of talk about what KRONOS can not do. No need to start a new topic... a lot has been said about the Sequencer.

Regarding your two replies, above:
In answer to your first reply... This current topic, to which I posted replies to, are not about the workflow of sequencing.

In answer to your second reply... Yes, exactly, which I've already established by replying directly about this subject, which is the present topic.
Regarding the sequencer. Most definitely not nearly enough has been said about what the sequencer CAN do and that includes the audio recorder as well with the flexible and creative uses of the sampler's integration. So, a lot has not been said about its creative use and I'll certainly be starting a topic about that. Not here of course.

[Zeroesque]

My view is that I'm glad they spent the R&D time and money on the things that are currently in Kronos. Considering Korg workstations prior to Kronos, I would put the SGX-1, EP-1, SST and Set List features above better guitars, horns and articulations any day. If those other things come in the future, then great. But, to me, they aren't the bread and butter of what I do with keyboards.