velocity curve doesn't reach 127

1jordyzzz · Post by **1jordyzzz** » Sun Jun 17, 2012 10:04 am

X-Trade wrote:Technically as a range of expression I think it is a good thing to require excessive pressure to reach the top values.

This means that our entire range of playing can be effectively covered. 115 values is still quite a high dynamic range if the programming is right.

It is more realistic that way (from a technical point of view) than being able to hit harder but have no change in sound because the velocity levels are already maxed out.

So it is really down to the programming in that these top values should not have any features like sample switching that are unreadable. Unfortunately this is not the case so I suspect that velocity behaviour is considerably different on the RH3 keybeds compared to the 61.

Does anyone get what I'm trying to say?

negative to that, any velocity curve (including the lightest, number 5) is difficult to reach top velocity... so i think it's either hardware or software problem...

Ten2One · Post by **Ten2One** » Sun Jun 17, 2012 1:31 pm

When I was talking to Max at korg product support he tested a 61 key Kronos for velocity. He was hitting the keys so hard I could hear him over the phone and he had difficulty reaching 127. I have an old Korg Triton so I tested it and had trouble reaching 127. I then tested my Roland V-Drums and 127 was easily obtained.

The Kronos seems to be able to receive all 127 velocities but the keyboard/software/whatever doesn't seem to produce them readily.

This is something that needs to be addressed and if enough people speak out perhaps they will.

Ten2One

SanderXpander · Post by **SanderXpander** » Sun Jun 17, 2012 8:31 pm

I'm with X-Trade, I think many keyboards max out too easily. If it's the hardest velocity that can register on the keyboard, it shouldn't come up much (if at all) during regular play. As long as the keyboard still feels and sounds dynamic, that is.
I actually prefer a keyboard that always gives me the sense of having a little more "oomph" available if I really lay into it. Much better than one that maxes out everytime I hit somewhat hard.

huibn · Post by **huibn** » Sun Jun 17, 2012 9:04 pm

we're goping off topic now...

back on the subject:

paid €3400 for a keyboard, had to wait more than 8 months for a keybedreplacement, and now unable to reach 120-127

***This is in my opinion totally unacceptable and absurd and akward***

apparently there are more people who have these problem.. i am afraid every kronos has it, just like the double triggering problem, alot of people don't recognize the problem or arent bothered by it.

The korg distributor of the netherlands aknowledged that the "so called 1%" are people who are bothered by it, but that 100% of the kronossos has the double triggering keybed issue.

Please people check your velocity and report it..

Melodialworks Music · Post by **Melodialworks Music** » Sun Jun 17, 2012 9:52 pm

Was being able to reach the max velocity something that was possible BEFORE the new keybeds/contacts?

In other words, has the fix for the double-strike and cut off problems, created a new problem, or was it always there, and apparently only recently being noticed?

Lawrence

Ten2One · Post by **Ten2One** » Sun Jun 17, 2012 11:19 pm

I never got a chance to check the three previous K 88's I had. I've asked a couple of people on the list to check theirs but haven't heard anything back.

I think it is a design issue and so far korg has shown very little interest in addressing these issues unless a very large number of people complain.

Ten2One

Melodialworks Music · Sun Jun 17, 2012 11:32 pm

Ten2One wrote: I think it is a design issue and so far korg has shown very little interest in addressing these issues unless a very large number of people complain.

Ten2One

They'll no doubt argue the problem only effects less than 1% or some such silliness.

MarPabl · Post by **MarPabl** » Mon Jun 18, 2012 12:19 am

This issue is present after applying the fix to the RH3 fix. It has been confirmed that the velocity of 127 can easily be reached on the faulty keybeds.

Davidb · Post by **Davidb** » Mon Jun 18, 2012 11:33 am

MarPabl wrote:This issue is present after applying the fix to the RH3 fix. It has been confirmed that the velocity of 127 can easily be reached on the faulty keybeds.

If that observation is corrrect, it leads to think the way to fix the double strike problem was to downgrade the velocity capability of the keybed, then.

If so...well.
Great fix.
Better say no more.

X-Trade · Post by **X-Trade** » Mon Jun 18, 2012 6:08 pm

But the problem is also present on my 61. What does that say?

Ten2One · Post by **Ten2One** » Mon Jun 18, 2012 6:21 pm

I just spoke with Korg USA product support and was told I am the only one who has reported this problem to them. He feels something is amiss and so I'm going to take my Kronos 88 to the shop to have it checked out in a couple of weeks. He indicated that a normal Kronos should be able to record at all velocities. It is understandable that it would be more difficult to reach 127 consistently but that extra should be there when needed.

I will report back when I get the "K" looked at.

Ten2One

MarPabl · Post by **MarPabl** » Mon Jun 18, 2012 7:53 pm

X-Trade wrote:But the problem is also present on my 61. What does that say?

I'm posting a link to the the first time I recall this issue was discussed. According to OP, it was detected after fixing the faulty RH3 keybed. I also detected that, but gave not too much importance (now edited my post to better reflect this)... however, as we can see this is a general issue which adversely affects many of us.

Still having keybed problems

Davidb · Post by **Davidb** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:53 pm

MarPabl wrote:
X-Trade wrote:But the problem is also present on my 61. What does that say?
I'm posting a link to the the first time I recall this issue was discussed. According to OP, it was detected after fixing the faulty RH3 keybed. I also detected that, but gave not too much importance (now edited my post to better reflect this)... however, as we can see this is a general issue which adversely affects many of us.

Still having keybed problems

Opps.
I thought It was only present in the Kronos 73 and 88 models.

Melodialworks Music · Post by **Melodialworks Music** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:20 pm

X-Trade wrote:But the problem is also present on my 61. What does that say?

That is is a software issue. Hopefully will be fixed with the next update.

Cpilot · Post by **Cpilot** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 6:40 pm

I can get up to 127 on my K61 if I set the curve to 6 but then the rest of the curve is wrong for me so I leave it at 5. I discussed thumping the keys with Dan Phillips and he seemed to think that it was OK to do this without breaking them. I'm not going to take the risk though.

Bryan