Kronos Editor 2.0 - Feedbacks

[jimiki]

I have been reading through all the feedbacks posted here on the subject. It is really annoying to see that most of you dont have the heart to appreciate positive things in the editor. This kind of comment will make the Korg Support staff not to visit this forum at all.

Comments like "useless", "Waste of time" need to be avoided. Please post the "pro" and "con" of the software so that Korg can correct any errors or bugs...

Overall, too many pessimistic comments

[BasariStudios]

God DamnIt! Another One???!!!

[BasariStudios]

Comments like "useless", "Waste of time" need to be avoided. Please post the "pro" and "con" of the software so that Korg can correct any errors or bugs...

Yes its really bad...its sucks a$$ so what now? Open another 300 Topics?
Leave them alone, let them complain, they paid 3000$ for their machines, its their right.

Look under your freaking topic, there is already 16 topics named Editor and
one even Terminator...enough.

[ed_f]

Overall, too many pessimistic comments

ok,ok - I will let the plugin speak for itself - when opened:

* * FAIL
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AU VALIDATION FAILED: CORRECT THE ERRORS ABOVE.
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validation result: failed validation

updating properties of AU Korg Kronos v2 by Sound Quest...done.

[jimiki]

Comments like "useless", "Waste of time" need to be avoided. Please post the "pro" and "con" of the software so that Korg can correct any errors or bugs...

Yes its really bad...its sucks a$$ so what now? Open another 300 Topics?
Leave them alone, let them complain, they paid 3000$ for their machines, its their right.

Look under your freaking topic, there is already 16 topics named Editor and
one even Terminator...enough.

Dude... They all paid 3k.. you and me got for free from Korg??

C'mon guys... have a piece of appreciation for Korg for giving you a good machine.... support from Korg is far better while compared to "R" brand synth and its dealers..

PS: Atleast my siggy can bring a bit of laugh while reading these pessimistic comments...

[bigtree]

First post,

I'm a long time hybrid musician going back to the early days of the Emulator II , Linn, and the wonderful Korg M1 to name a few.

I am so disappointed in the editor. I cannot get it to work properly so its imposable to really test it. But from what I've seen so far, its far from what I envisioned as an ITB VSTi editor.
I hope Korg is reading this. I love their products but I'm not going to candy coat something in fear that they don't like it. Forums are a good place to find out what the street is saying about something. Good or bad, forums help improve new products.
I spent 3 hours on it yesterday, using the KronosX 88 ver. 2.02. and it is pretty lame but appears to be on the right track. It is a mirror of the hardware functions.
It doesn't work properly with Win7 on an Intel 966 I7 3.2 running Samplitude/Sequoia 12. I don't plan on switching one of the best DAW's on the planet to use it, if it does work on another platform.
But it doesn't even work well as a stand alone either. Its slow and appears buggy. That's my first impression of it. I've removed it from my rig. It could simply not be compatible with my rig. I'm curious to read more responses over time.

That being said, I am so sick of computers these days and why I bought the Kronos X now. Its a breath of fresh air. I am going back to midi and hardware. I have an Akai Renaissance on its way and I won't loose sleep if they don't get this Editor right for me, but it would be nice.

I never knew what latency was until I switched ITB. What a time waster indeed.

Love your forum and love the Kronos X!

Cheers!

[SoundQuest]

Overall, too many pessimistic comments

ok,ok - I will let the plugin speak for itself - when opened:

* * FAIL
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AU VALIDATION FAILED: CORRECT THE ERRORS ABOVE.
--------------------------------------------------

validation result: failed validation

updating properties of AU Korg Kronos v2 by Sound Quest...done.

In this case, I am sorry but you are discussing Apple. This is an AU Validation bug introduced in 10.7.5 and acknowledged by Apple as being their error. They have discussed a fix but there has been no mention of a timeline. If you have not yet upgraded to 10.7.5, I would recommend staying away from it as this bug is affecting the AU authorization of a range of plug-ins.

[NuSkoolTone]

Comments like "useless", "Waste of time" need to be avoided. Please post the "pro" and "con" of the software so that Korg can correct any errors or bugs...

Yes its really bad...its sucks a$$ so what now? Open another 300 Topics?
Leave them alone, let them complain, they paid 3000$ for their machines, its their right.

Look under your freaking topic, there is already 16 topics named Editor and
one even Terminator...enough.

Dude... They all paid 3k.. you and me got for free from Korg??

C'mon guys... have a piece of appreciation for Korg for giving you a good machine.... support from Korg is far better while compared to "R" brand synth and its dealers..

PS: Atleast my siggy can bring a bit of laugh while reading these pessimistic comments...

Korg? Absolutely. Doing a FANTASTIC job, can't wait to see what's coming next. Soundquest? Not so much. Frankly, I'm surprised they even got paid once they delivered this software. In many respects, it's not even on par with editors I used 10 years ago and they were for MULTIPLE synths! If given the information/permissions Soundquest was given by Korg, chances are our very own community could whip up something far better within a matter of months. If the gui was already provided, maybe even DAYS.

[Ojustaboo]

C'mon guys... have a piece of appreciation for Korg for giving you a good machine.... support from Korg is far better while compared to "R" brand synth and its dealers..

...

I could easily say, "Come on Korg... Have a piece of appreciation for your customers who paid a lot of money for their product"

I wondered how long it would be before someone stood up for Korg and tried to imply the customers are the ones being unfair.

Two wrongs don't make a right, a very bad analogy (its 5:30 am and I'm tired), if I complain about person x as he's committed 100 crimes, being told to cut him some slack as person y has committed 500 is a totally pointless and illogical thing to say.

I love my Kronos, but that doesn't get around the fact that korg initially handled the keybed problem extremely badly and customers felt like their wishes were being ignored. Editor v1 was slammed as not fit for purpose by 99% of people who commented. They bring out editor v2 and its virtually no better.

And you are siding with korg, sort of implying that we the customer are in the wrong, they must be loving you, it's people who act like this that give companies such as korg the impression they can carry on treating their customers with what amounts to contempt, sure in the knowledge that when they do, they don't even have to bother trying to defend themselves as a minority of their customers will willingly do that job for them.

Doesn't matter how good 99% of the Kronos is, many people WANT to be able to use it in a way it was implied they could at first point of advertisement and the simple fact is, this is a very sub par excuse for an editor for any model or brand of synth, yet alone a flagship expensive model.

No 64bit in late 2012, whoevers responsible for that decision should in my opinion be fired as they are obviously not fit for the position they hold.

Maybe, just maybe if the editor was 64bit, people would see that at least korg and soundquest are actually slowly taking on board what the customer wants and then people would be more optimistic about convincing them to get their editor into the 21st century in other ways too.

But there's total silence on people's wishes and complaints. Even the soundquest account that posts in this forum is extremely selective on what they choose to comment on, yes I realise often they aren't allowed to comment by their bosses etc, but the impression that gives isn't a very good one.

Soundquest has responded to just one person (well they've pointed another person to the same response), and the one complaint/problem they've chosen to comment on is one that they can blame someone else for, in this case Apple.

I'm not impressed, many others aren't impressed and the more people don't put up with being given shoddy products (whether hardware or software) and the more vocal people are about such shoddy products the better.

Conversely, the more people stick up for companies releasing shoddy products, the less likely those companies are to ever change

[Ojustaboo]

Korg? Absolutely. Doing a FANTASTIC job, can't wait to see what's coming next. Soundquest? Not so much. Frankly, I'm surprised they even got paid once they delivered this software. In many respects, it's not even on par with editors I used 10 years ago and they were for MULTIPLE synths! If given the information/permissions Soundquest was given by Korg, chances are our very own community could whip up something far better within a matter of months. If the gui was already provided, maybe even DAYS.

Totally agree with everything you say except the first two sentences.

The Kronos is a superb machine and there's nothing in my opinion that comes close.

But while Korg come up with great products and they may well do a fantastic job in their product design, that is only part of a companies responsibility and in my opinion, korg haven't done a fantastic job at all in many Kronos related areas.

The Kronos sequencer compared to the m3 or krome and total silence from korg on the issue is not them doing a fantastic job.

The way people were kept in the dark for months over the initial keybed problem was not them doing a fantastic job either.

Korg allowing this V2 editor to be released is also not them doing a fantastic job. They chose to use soundquest, they saw all the customer complaints about v1 and they chose to allow soundquest to continue down exactly the same route.

Korg chose to subcontract the editor to soundquest. If I get a builder to extend my house, if he uses subcontractors for part of it and those subcontractors do shoddy work, it doesn't matter how good the quality of work is by my actual builder, the end result, what he allowed through, is totally his fault.

Korg must have known that within an hour of people downloading this editor, people would be complaining about the lack of a 64 bit version. That is not them doing a fantastic job.

Had they released it along with a note that there will be a 64bit version released sometime in the coming months, then at least it shows they are listening.

Ignoring all the complaints just make customers have a bitter taste in their mouths and is extremely bad PR.

For all I or you know, they may have a 64 bit version in the pipeline or they may have zero intention of releasing one.

Again I don't call that a fantastic job

As I've said in other posts, when I use the word Korg, I am talking about the decision makers not the helpful guys that post in this forum and the helpful guys I've dealt with at korg UK.

[neomad]

God DamnIt! Another One???!!!

+1
Moderators, can you please close all post and leave just one open ?

[neomad]

The Kronos is a superb machine and there's nothing in my opinion that comes close.

But while Korg come up with great products and they may well do a fantastic job in their product design, that is only part of a companies responsibility and in my opinion, korg haven't done a fantastic job at all in many Kronos related areas.

The Kronos sequencer compared to the m3 or krome and total silence from korg on the issue is not them doing a fantastic job.

The way people were kept in the dark for months over the initial keybed problem was not them doing a fantastic job either.

Korg allowing this V2 editor to be released is also not them doing a fantastic job. They chose to use soundquest, they saw all the customer complaints about v1 and they chose to allow soundquest to continue down exactly the same route

+1 (I'm putting first words in bold)

[Ojustaboo]

Yet again people complaining about the complainers are posting far more posts than the people actually complaining.

With the exception of me, obviously

Everytime I see a thread complaining about complainers, I will step in and complain about those complaining about the complainers

If people aren't interested about those choosing to post about their dissatisfaction with the editor, then rather than asking the mods to close threads, or trying to derail the thread by saying how glorious the kronos is (which i don't see anyone disagreeing with), how about just ignoring these threads and just posting in ones that you have an interest in?

[neomad]

If people aren't interested about those choosing to post about their dissatisfaction with the editor, then rather than asking the mods to close threads, or trying to derail the thread by saying how glorious the kronos is (which i don't see anyone disagreeing with), how about just ignoring these threads and just posting in ones that you have an interest in?

I'm just asking to unify all editor feedback into a single post and close the other ones. Just in case, I'm posting in every thread

[Ojustaboo]

If people aren't interested about those choosing to post about their dissatisfaction with the editor, then rather than asking the mods to close threads, or trying to derail the thread by saying how glorious the kronos is (which i don't see anyone disagreeing with), how about just ignoring these threads and just posting in ones that you have an interest in?

I'm just asking to unify all editor feedback into a single post and close the other ones. Just in case, I'm posting in every thread

What we need is one thread for feedback about the editor good or bad with the condition that people should only be able to post editor feedback.

Posts such as people saying others shouldn't moan about the editor, people shouldn't have brought their Kronos waning to use the editor or posts not mentioning the editor but sticking up for korg in a fanboy way should be banned from that thread.

Then I totally agree with you.

But what would happen is the thread would be started with good intentions, then after a few posts the contents of this entire thread would repeat its self time and time again, hence someone wanting to voice their concerns with the editor will feel the threads gone off the rails and will have the desire to start a new thread.