Mysterious voice stealing

shaneblyth · Post by **shaneblyth** » Fri Nov 15, 2013 11:52 pm

danatkorg wrote:Looking into this now.

thanks Dan will be interested to find out if we are needing a 2.11 update!

ed_f · Post by **ed_f** » Sat Nov 16, 2013 12:37 am

Been playing with this a little bit.
For me, it seems to be tied to midi channel 15 (which is a place to start)

If I have my Triton set to midi channel 15 I can get the same results - actually I have to hit the same notes I have in the chord and they go off. And it does seem that the note off is causing that.

But - if I change the Triton to any other midi channel the problem goes away and it acts like I would expect.

This can be seen with even a simpler setup. (at least for me) Any sound I tested on the global channel, will be turned off if I hit the same keys with my Triton sending channel 15 messages.

Seems weird - question of course is, what is so special about channel 15 or is it a bug.

Changing the midi channel might be enough to give you a workaround for now.

markn · Post by **markn** » Sat Nov 16, 2013 3:57 pm

Checked other midi-channels last night as well. It happened on all midi-channels here...

Also found out what global muting is

X-Trade · Post by **X-Trade** » Sat Nov 16, 2013 4:15 pm

I was just thinking - Korg's workstations always transmit on the Global channel. Even if you're using a different channel in the sequencer or especially an EXT timbre in combi mode.

So it's possible in certain loopback situations or when using another Korg workstation as a controller, to get interference of notes and controllers on the global channel.

danatkorg · Post by **danatkorg** » Sat Nov 16, 2013 5:46 pm

It looks like there's a bug here: note-offs from MIDI input seem to go to the Global channel as well as the specified channel. I'll post again when I have more information.

ed_f · Post by **ed_f** » Sat Nov 16, 2013 6:07 pm

danatkorg wrote:It looks like there's a bug here: note-offs from MIDI input go to the Global channel as well as the specified channel. I'll post again when I have more information.

Thanks for the update. That is what it looked like.

markn · Post by **markn** » Sat Nov 16, 2013 6:10 pm

ed_f wrote:
danatkorg wrote:It looks like there's a bug here: note-offs from MIDI input go to the Global channel as well as the specified channel. I'll post again when I have more information.
Thanks for the update. That is what it looked like.

+1
Yes, many thanks for the information.

Markus

section4 · Post by **section4** » Sat Nov 16, 2013 11:42 pm

danatkorg wrote:It looks like there's a bug here: note-offs from MIDI input seem to go to the Global channel as well as the specified channel. I'll post again when I have more information.

Great ! that explains my issues as well.. Thanks for the info..

NuSkoolTone · Post by **NuSkoolTone** » Sun Nov 17, 2013 3:29 pm

I noticed this issue crop up on a gig last night. Controller board was on MIDI channel 2, Kronos MIDI/Global on channel 1.

Holding sustained string notes on the Kronos and playing rhythmic chords on an EP on the controller. As soon as I hit the same note on the controller as the note I was sustaining on the Kronos, the Kronos stopped sounding until I re-triggered and wasn't playing the same note on the other keyboard.

It was repeatable. If I avoided the same note by changing the chord voicing on the controller, it no longer became an issue. So I agree there is a bug here.

NuSkoolTone · Post by **NuSkoolTone** » Tue Nov 19, 2013 7:45 pm

So any word on when to expect a patch for this?

markn · Post by **markn** » Tue Nov 19, 2013 8:32 pm

danatkorg wrote:It looks like there's a bug here: note-offs from MIDI input seem to go to the Global channel as well as the specified channel. I'll post again when I have more information.

Dan will post when there are news. I'm eagerly waiting as well...

SorenL · Post by **SorenL** » Wed Nov 20, 2013 2:39 pm

Hi

The noteoff issue also happens in combi mode without any external midi connection. So the Kronos i useless with the new OS.

Soren

ed_f · Post by **ed_f** » Wed Nov 20, 2013 2:49 pm

SorenL wrote:Hi

The noteoff issue also happens in combi mode without any external midi connection. So the Kronos i useless with the new OS.

Soren

I am curious how you are causing that to happen? The issue here is while holding a chord and external controller is sending a note off that gets through and stops the chord from playing. Where is the note off coming from in a combi?

SorenL · Post by **SorenL** » Wed Nov 20, 2013 3:19 pm

ed_f wrote:
SorenL wrote:Hi

The noteoff issue also happens in combi mode without any external midi connection. So the Kronos i useless with the new OS.

Soren
I am curious how you are causing that to happen? The issue here is while holding a chord and external controller is sending a note off that gets through and stops the chord from playing. Where is the note off coming from in a combi?

When I played 2 notes quicly after its other the last note didn't sound. But after I have turned the power off/on the problem is no longer there. Strange.

Ned · Post by **Ned** » Sat Nov 23, 2013 12:40 pm

Yeah, any idea on when this will be sorted ?
I noticed this at a gig the other night, no one there noticed anything different except me anyway .. ha ha haaa but at least i got to find out who won "shell lubricant distributor of the year award" .. Exciting stuff eh ..
Thing is though,
It's been a week now, if it gets left any longer then Roland will think it is a new innovation and will start implementing it into their next generation of workstations