Guitar mode locked with the AcTrack- Why??

[jimlefreak]

Hello eveybody.

A problem keep coming to me when creating styles ....is the fact that the Guitar mode is always " Locked" with the Accompaniament Track in all the Variations.

This wouldn't be a big problem if the Styles were "Typical". But.....
If someone try's to create more complex Styles as modern music today where we see a combination of different genres....like an example,let's say a mix of Dance with Rock ........he will soon see the limitations.

Even if yoy try to combine Variations from different FACTORY Styles the limitations are still there!
The Effects is another example.Wouldn't it be Great if we could assign different effects to different Variations?
Well...i started with the Guitar mode......can"t have everything in this world.

Really pisses me off and just trying to find a way to overtake this.
Has anybody else found this disturbing?
Is this a Software issue which maybe fixed with a new OS?

I think that if this issue was solved....Korg would see there Arrangers "take off". Hearing from an arranger the latest music would be an andvantage in the market.

[Sam CA]

Hi Jim,
What do you exactly mean by the Guitar Track being locked with the rest of the ACC tracks? Are you talking about the Chord progression?

[jimlefreak]

I mean...when you create a style and at Ac 1 of Variation 1 you have a Guitar sound so you select the guitar mode for some real strumming........if you change the sound on Variation 2 of the Ac 1 for example turn it into a Electric Piano....you will end with an Electric piano strumming at the Low notes.
Thats why i say its "Locked"...the "mode"....when you select the "Guitar mode"to the Acompaniament Track of the entire Style.
Am i doing something wrong?

[Sam CA]

I mean...when you create a style and at Ac 1 of Variation 1 you have a Guitar sound so you select the guitar mode for some real strumming........if you change the sound on Variation 2 of the Ac 1 for example turn it into a Electric Piano....you will end with an Electric piano strumming at the Low notes.
Thats why i say its "Locked"...the "mode"....when you select the "Guitar mode"to the Acompaniament Track of the entire Style.
Am i doing something wrong?

Well, then you don't fully understand how Guitar Mode works. "Guitar Track" is not a normal Acc track. I have some tutorials (Link in the signature area) that could possibly give you an overall view of the concept. There are 3 types of tracks that you could use to program a Style Track...ACC tracks, Guitar Tracks (The ones that are based on Guitar Mode), and Drum/Perc Tracs. .... Guitar Mode doesn't work like normal ACC tracks where you use a stack 3 notes to make a C major chord or whatever....Guitar Mode is a totally different type of track. Once you set a track to a particular type, then that's what you'll have for every single element. If you want to use EP , then you just use an ACC track for it.

[AntonySharmman]

Sam , I think you didn't really understood the point of Jim , who I can ensure you that has became an expert on style editing.
His main frustration seems to be the option to change the function mode of a track in the same style !
I totally agree with that since many times I really need an extra 9th track to add a melodic instrument's phrase and
the only available tracks are always defined as percussion tracks , where I wish I could temporary change mode via
a sys or program change , even into the same variation , witch is impossible , since track mode is definitely preset for the whole style !

Therefore Jim ( Ναυπάκτιε ) , in case you need a multitasking track the only choice is Acc mode and create manually guitar
strumming which can be more realistic if you're skilled than guitar mode , even percussion with proper track settings and use
this track with different instruments in any Var/Fill or using program changes in any measurement you like !

[Sam CA]

Sam , I think you didn't really understood the point of Jim , who I can ensure you that has became an expert on style editing.

Well, from what I understood he meant that he doesn't want to get stuck with a particular track type for all variations...etc.

[AntonySharmman]

Indeed , though he can confirm it !

[jimlefreak]

the option to change the function mode of a track in the same style !

Antony (πατρίδα) ,this is ecxactly what i'm trying to say. Maybe i need to practice a little bit more my english

Glad to see you totaly understood me!

This "problem" keep's coming in front of me. Maybe i'm trying to create very complex styles lately (?).
For sure you can use a multitasking track in Acc mode and create manually guitar strumming which can be more realistic as you say...but this isn't something that everybody can do.

Allot of Factory styles use like 2 guitar mode tracks. So even if someone wanted to create a new style from factory styles like to combine a Var 1 from a Dance style with a Var 2 from a Rock Style ...you can see the limitation. Dont want to get deeper and talk about the effects or other things that occur when you want to make such a mix of different genres.

If there was a way to temporary change mode via a sys or program change or why not ...a specific option to choose the mode you want in every Var,Intro,fill..... we would see more creative stuff.

Hope Korg is listening ....small ideas ....can bring great results........

[Sam CA]

Too bad Guitar mode is not available in the sequencer mode.

[AntonySharmman]

Too bad Guitar mode is not available in the sequencer mode.

Actually there is a tricky way to archive it !
Pick up the style with your favorite guitar mode pattern , change interface to backing sequencer , record for instance
4/8 measurements , then turn to full sequencer and there you can follow two options :
1) Either built the rest tracks of your song to the other 15 tracks from scratch
2) Nor exporting this X-measurements translated guitar mode to midi data to a SMF and import it at your already created song.

Jimmy 2nd option could be a really good solution for you , since you can import this SMF in a style of yours
into an ordinary acc track and this track will behave exactly as guitar mode !

[jimlefreak]

2) Nor exporting this X-measurements translated guitar mode to midi data to a SMF and import it at your already created song.

Jimmy 2nd option could be a really good solution for you , since you can import this SMF in a style of yours
into an ordinary acc track and this track will behave exactly as guitar mode !

I haven't tryed this yet....and i'm not sure that this actually works.
Now three questions come in my mind.

1) Turning a style or for example a Guitar mode Track into a SMF...we then can see more midi events ,that are usually hidden from us when we open the Event Edit of the track in a CV ?

2)Why isnt't there a option that we can see everything thats happening in the Event Edit of the Track? I remember sequencers 15 and so years old that you could see EVERYTHING INSIDE!!!!

3)A G#2 for example of a Guitar mode track....is turned into something else when turned into Smf?

Something that came to mind...is that....
Another way that you could achive the addition of Tracks..is the PADS!!!
If there was a way to Turn On and Off the Pads in Style Edit...we could create Styles with 12 Tracks!!! !!!!!

[AntonySharmman]

jim , You have to read again my post carefully !
Guitar mode includes a kind of midi sequence events that are activated when some individual guitar lower notes
are pressed , and still only the pressed notes exist in style mode , so exporting this track as SMF you have no translated
guitars simple notes to guitar midi events but in backing sequencer you have the final played guitars notes , where you
can export the real events ! this is the SMF you need !

As concerned to sys data for enabling and disabling PADs this code can't be executed via internal timeline midi events ,
this can be done only by external midi events.

[Sam CA]

Too bad Guitar mode is not available in the sequencer mode.

Actually there is a tricky way to archive it !
Pick up the style with your favorite guitar mode pattern , change interface to backing sequencer , record for instance
4/8 measurements , then turn to full sequencer and there you can follow two options :
1) Either built the rest tracks of your song to the other 15 tracks from scratch
2) Nor exporting this X-measurements translated guitar mode to midi data to a SMF and import it at your already created song.

Jimmy 2nd option could be a really good solution for you , since you can import this SMF in a style of yours
into an ordinary acc track and this track will behave exactly as guitar mode !

yeah but this is not a full support for the Guitar mode as it is for the Style mode. You couldn't start it from scratch in an external sequencer for it to be used as the final version in the sequencer mode. That's what I'm talking about.

[AntonySharmman]

yeah but this is not a full support for the Guitar mode as it is for the Style mode

"Not fully" is not accurate , not supported at all , we both know that that's why I wrote you a tricky way of how to ...

[jimlefreak]

I think it's time to connect my "studio-computer" that's been resting for some time.....and get into some serious Style Editing !!!!!