Korg Piano patch is not as good as Yamaha?

[kamran_uk12]

Hi all,
I have been playing Yamaha keyboards a lot, and the famous Live !Grand Piano patch in all the models sound same and which is very impressive indeed. Now playing the Korg stereo grand piano patch in pa500 doesn't has that sweet acoustic touch to it. tried all the eq,DSP.
you may find in other forums ppl comparing korg vs Yamaha piano sound in arrangers and the find it better in Yamaha.
why is that? when the rest of the voices are so nice.
is there a way to import Yamaha piano patch to korg?
or is there a way to load other better piano samples in it?

piano is the heart of any arranger, its the first voice ppl test to judge the instrument.

[karmathanever]

piano is the heart of any arranger, its the first voice ppl test to judge the instrument.

For you maybe, sax and drums is the first I try because this is all personal, subjective and completely in the ears of the beholder.

Now playing the Korg stereo grand piano patch in pa500 doesn't has that sweet acoustic touch to it. tried all the eq,DSP.

I guess you need to fully explain "sweet acoustic touch" - that really means nothing to me but I understand that this is your personal preference (which is the point here.)
Yamaha is not better than Korg is not better than Kurzweil is not better than Roland is not better than Yamaha is not……

"...better than…" makes no sense in this context - replace it with "….sounds nicer to me….."

If you prefer Yamaha then stay with Yamaha - simple

I love Yamaha piano sounds and I am totally satisfied with Korg (my Roland is pretty good too).

why is that? when the rest of the voices are so nice.
is there a way to import Yamaha piano patch to korg?
or is there a way to load other better piano samples in it?

Yes you can import more or less anything you want in any of the Korg PA arrangers with sampling capabilities.
Your questions here are too subjective tio answer - I would need to have EXACTLY the same tastes and requirements musically as you to be able to answer.

Cheers

Pete

[kamran_uk12]

Ithanks for advice and info but your answer seems to be biased. you do need to see other forums too. there is a big debate about piano sound everywhere, people comparing korg and Yamaha piano sound and ALL prefer Yamaha over korg as far as piano patch is concerned.
there is a reason when you see Brian Adams no1 hit song 'everything I do, I do it for love' you see Yamaha piano. this is just one example.
by sweet, I meant a sound you want to hear more often, not irritating.
piano patch IS the heart not only arrangers but also synthesizers. its the only sound used more often, no wonder you have separate piano styles in every arranger.

[siebenhirter]

... pa500 doesn't has that sweet acoustic touch to it. tried all the eq,DSP....

Maybe it does not, but i do not believe you tried all eq DSP.
On my mind that is not true, as in recent times there have been several inquiries from you confirming that you have not even dealt with the basic functions of your keyboards and probably you did not read one line in your manual about basic functions of your keyboard.

your question "how can you apply a DSP effect to a particular upper track?" would be answered in that thread where it concerns.

to get better sound - use your soundeditor, use layers, use equalizer etc. nevertheless maybe you do not like your factory-piano - as you did not find how to use DSP you can not evalute a difference between using piano-performance or piano-multisample-sound to be used with personalized parameters.

lets talk about after you tried to use your key with some of its essential features and hope to be honest in future. hope meanwhile you find pages with mixer-tuning and effects.

[kamran_uk12]

hi siebenhirter,

I have tried all the DSP but to be honest, it doesnt make that difference. If i can not select a particular dsp for a particular track(voice) then how can i judge b/w normal and applied DSP effect properly, only way would be to mute other tracks. not a right way anyway.

You are right that i have posted a lot of basic inquiries but thats because its only been couple of days that i bought this keyboard. what else you expect from a beginner?
my question "how can you apply a DSP effect to a particular upper track?" is posted to the proper section, check again.

I am following your advice to how to use DSP, and I ll read it in detail. But I am afraid it is not as amazing as yamaha's dsp. although korg's dsp has more feature.
the thing about specially the piano sound is yamaha's famous LIVE! Grand Piano patch is so powerful that it throws away other piano sounds be it korg, roland, or any other.

[kamran_uk12]

Yamaha Corporation has always been a major partner of Korg, supplying them with circuitry and mechanical parts
-wikipedia

[karmathanever]

Hi kamran_uk12

Ithanks for advice and info but your answer seems to be biased. you do need to see other forums too. there is a big debate about piano sound everywhere, people comparing korg and Yamaha piano sound and ALL prefer Yamaha over korg as far as piano patch is concerned.

I have played Yamaha for years and am active on Yamaha and other forums.
Yes, of course my views are biased - they are biased, like everyone else, based on personal experiences and personal preferences.

I think stating "ALL prefer…" is unjustified. For one, I don't prefer them - but I don't dislike them.
I do not come from a "piano" background (perhaps like yourself) and hence would not necessarily hear and need those critical timbres and the authenticity at the same level as true pianists would, however I am fully qualified in my pedantic criticism and requirements from drums - as yet, I have not heard any really authentic "digital" drum sounds (kit, keyboard or software) of a real acoustic kit - but it's still all personal!!!!
It's no so much the drum samples but how the SOUND is configured (oscillators etc…).
Saxes have a way to go yet but the PA3X leads the way there with DNC etc IMHO…

I am interested in your views and experiences but would like some constructive detail….

Hey, there's no argument here from me - I cannot argue with others' opinions when it comes to any form of art….

Cheers

Pete

[karmathanever]

Yamaha Corporation has always been a major partner of Korg, supplying them with circuitry and mechanical parts

http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/ ... 784#582784
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[Fransman]

is there a way to import Yamaha piano patch to korg?

Maybe have a look here:
http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/ ... hp?t=88520

It has a patch called 'Yamaha'.

EDIT: Sorry, I forgot you own PA500, so you cannot load these samples.

[Fransman]

I have tried all the DSP but to be honest, it doesnt make that difference.

Make sure that 'FX send' is not set to '0', otherwise your effect settings will not do anything.
It's here: Menu, Mixer, second Tab (FX Send).

Also in Effects section (Menu - Effects), you can add values for 'Send C' and 'Send D' AND 'D to C' values.
(Next to choosing the effects of course).

Your Global EQ settings add to the effect also.

I must admit that, like you, I like the basic Yamaha piano sample a bit better than Korg's (I've had a PA500 and now PA800).
I've had a Yam PSR S910 for a while and one of the things I liked about it was the piano sound.
For most of the rest of the features, I prefer Korg arrangers! (A lot!)

Maybe you can add a sound module to your gear to spice things a bit up (GEM RP-X has some excellent piano samples (Fazioli!)).
Or a (second hand) Yamaha Motif Rack XS module.

[siebenhirter]

.. tried all the DSP ... it doesnt make that difference. If i can not select a particular dsp for a particular track(voice) then how can i judge b/w normal and applied DSP effect properly, only way would be to mute other tracks. not a right way anyway

It is easy to use particular DSP for particular track and not necessary to mute other tracks.
But using DSPs without pre-selectec sendlevels/amountlevels never makes a difference to try them all, as level Zero you could not hear.

So it is your mistake to judge, while you do not know how to simple select particular dsp for particular track.

Now use your menues mixer/tuning, effects - and some more for your applications as described in manual. select your particular track (like Upper1,2,3 or whatelse), select one or two of the numerous DSPs for C and D and set amounts (not to Zero), also set sendlevel-C and sendlevel-D of Upper1 near maximum to hear that differences you did not hear until now. And do not forget to preselect how to use effect (insert or master) - to hear your DSPs as usual.

[kamran_uk12]

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Although i'm a Korg user I do find
Yamaha's Piano to sound best and
the action too.
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/43585-6-korg-yamaha

[Thoraldus]

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Although i'm a Korg user I do find
Yamaha's Piano to sound best and
the action too.
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/43585-6-korg-yamaha

You're quoting 10 year old posts now. What's the point. If you do not want to take the time to learn how to create the piano sound you want on your PA500, I'd humbly suggest you sell the keyboard and buy something you can be happy with. I got awesome piano sounds out of the PA500 by spending some time in the Sound editor and creating the layered sound I wanted.

FYI: In my experience as an owner of both Yamaha and Korg arrangers, I've found the difference between the two is like going to a bakery and buying a cake versus baking your own in your kitchen. The Yamahas are the bakery cakes all nicely frosted and ready to go. The Korgs however give you the flexibility to create a much wider variety. Some folks are just not bakers and should stay out of the kitchen.

[Fransman]

Some folks are just not bakers and should stay out of the kitchen.

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[kamran_uk12]

You are right about the backery example. I do agree that korg gives you more option in synth mode than there is in Yamaha.