Why Pa80 (Yr2000) had direct style loading and pa500 etc not

kamran_uk12 · Post by **kamran_uk12** » Thu Feb 13, 2014 9:45 am

hi all.

i was reading an article about pa80, released in 2000 and it had direct style loading from floppy or hdd, but latest models lack this function.
Also it was compatible withh MIDI2, while pa500 is only MIDI?

http://www.sonicstate.com/synth/korg_pa80/

Thoraldus · Post by **Thoraldus** » Thu Feb 13, 2014 1:41 pm

kamran_uk12 wrote:hi all.

i was reading an article about pa80, released in 2000 and it had direct style loading from floppy or hdd, but latest models lack this function.
Also it was compatible withh MIDI2, while pa500 is only MIDI?

http://www.sonicstate.com/synth/korg_pa80/

From the PA500 User manual ...

"A most recent extension is the GM2, that further expands the
Sounds database. The Pa500 is soundwise-compatible with the
GM2 standard."

karmathanever · Post by **karmathanever** » Thu Feb 13, 2014 1:46 pm

Basically because things have progressed.
We now have a huge amount of storage capacity for styles on board.
Floppies are dead.
CDs are dead.

Also it was compatible withh MIDI2, while pa500 is only MIDI?

I (and others) keep saying it - read the manuals!!!!

PA500 manual wrote:Some years ago, the musical instruments world felt a need for
some further standardization. Then, the General MIDI Standard
(GM) was born. This extension of the basic MIDI sets new rules
for compatibility between instruments:
• A minimum of 16 MIDI channels was required.
• A basic set of 128 Sounds, correctly ordered, was mandatory.
• The Drum Kit had a standard order.
• Channel 10 had to be devoted to the Drum Kit.
A most recent extension is the GM2, that further expands the
Sounds database. The Pa500 is soundwise-compatible with the
GM2 standard.

karmathanever · Post by **karmathanever** » Thu Feb 13, 2014 1:48 pm

Sorry Rick - you beat me to it

Thoraldus · Post by **Thoraldus** » Thu Feb 13, 2014 2:37 pm

karmathanever wrote:Sorry Rick - you beat me to it

Heh heh! I like your post better, more emphasis

kamran_uk12 · Post by **kamran_uk12** » Thu Feb 13, 2014 3:07 pm

No karmathanever,
Noooooooo never can the on-board memory excceeds the Hdd capacity, or Usb.

kamran_uk12 · Post by **kamran_uk12** » Thu Feb 13, 2014 3:11 pm

Midi2 has to be mentioned, printed on keyboard. it is printed as midi only. no wonder that not only the os design is confusding, now the print on instrument itself is confusing. ahhhh something to nlearn from yamaha.

karmathanever · Post by **karmathanever** » Fri Feb 14, 2014 4:53 am

Midi2 has to be mentioned, printed on keyboard. it is printed as midi only. no wonder that not only the os design is confusding, now the print on instrument itself is confusing. ahhhh something to nlearn from yamaha.

Read the manual instead of the printed logos on the keyboard - it is far more effective and less confusing...

Noooooooo never can the on-board memory excceeds the Hdd capacity, or Usb.

But I didn't say it did. It is just that FDD is over and done.
DIRECTHD and DIRECTFD were great at the time to aid the older and lower-capacity keyboard models.
PA3X has more on board space than any of its predecessors. Why would you still want that feature?

I guess if someone REALLY needs more than 1200 instantly-selectable styles on board (PA3X) then there might be a case for "extending" SDD with USB but I can't see the point otherwise.

With respect, it is becoming more and more obvious that you are very dissatisfied with your PA500 and don't like Korg very much so why don't you just trade it for a PA3X (or Tyros 5 if you prefer to spend more money and have less features) and your problems may go away...

kamran_uk12 · Post by **kamran_uk12** » Fri Feb 14, 2014 5:35 am

Of course I can trade it with something else. Had per s910 before, way better than this Casio type pa series. But I want to have an experience with korg, find out its good and bad points, then I am writing a book about best arrangers worldwide so I need content for that too. Same far my experience is so so with korg not as what ppl use to say. I use software patches more for my work and I have like 200 GB of samples and stuff for that. I believe there is a lot korg has to learn from Yamaha and vise verca. We live in a competent and advance world now, new options, new features will win consumers heart. Instead of being racist between korg and Yamaha, why don't they improve and learn something from each other.

Fransman · Post by **Fransman** » Fri Feb 14, 2014 7:42 am

kamran_uk12 wrote:Had per s910 before, way better than this Casio type pa series.

No need to get rude in here. You just don't know anything (really you don't!) about the power of Korg arrangers.
This is not due to Korg, but due to your lack of knowledge of Korg.
And I don't think you can learn that in just a few weeks, seeing your posts in the last couple of weeks.

kamran_uk12 wrote: find out its good and bad points, then I am writing a book about best arrangers worldwide.

So that book will only cover Korg?

Anyway, I don't think it's gonna be a bestseller.
Good luck, I will not help you again with your questions.
Would have been more fair if you told from the start what you were planning to do.

kamran_uk12 · Post by **kamran_uk12** » Fri Feb 14, 2014 8:40 am

no that book will cover all famous arrangers and whats so wrong about writing a book? it will be good and helpfull for others, which keyboard i keep has nothing to do with it.
i dont understand why here at this forum ppl are so harsh comparedd to yamaha famous forum, psrtutorial. there you get instand honest reply from well known experts no matter how much u ask. u should check that forum just to get an idea.

karmathanever · Post by **karmathanever** » Fri Feb 14, 2014 9:27 am

I am writing a book about best arrangers worldwide

You need to learn about them and use them first - you could however save yourself a lot of time and simply copy and paste the Korg PA3X manual into your book...

karmathanever · Post by **karmathanever** » Fri Feb 14, 2014 12:11 pm

kamran_uk12 wrote:I am writing a book about best arrangers worldwide

Fransman wrote:Good luck, I will not help you again with your questions.
Would have been more fair if you told from the start what you were planning to do

Agree - Sam and anyone else spending their valuable time trying to be nice and assist - just be aware…..

Fransman · Post by **Fransman** » Fri Feb 14, 2014 12:30 pm

kamran_uk12 wrote: i dont understand why here at this forum ppl are so harsh comparedd to yamaha famous forum, psrtutorial. there you get instand honest reply from well known experts no matter how much u ask. u should check that forum just to get an idea.

Until now, all your questions have been replied by several good willing forum members here (including myself).
Complaining about that is not only unfair, but even rude, and I think an apology from your side would be the right thing to do.

I have been a member of psrtutorial myself, and there's not that much difference between the two when it comes to willingness to help.

'nough said.

Thoraldus · Post by **Thoraldus** » Fri Feb 14, 2014 6:24 pm

kamran_uk12 wrote: i dont understand why here at this forum ppl are so harsh comparedd to yamaha famous forum, psrtutorial. there you get instand honest reply from well known experts no matter how much u ask. u should check that forum just to get an idea.

Quite frankly because there is so much less to know about the Yamahas. I know, I have both. For a little experiment take a look at the difference in size between the Tyros and PA3x manuals. Tyros 5 = ~20MB :: PA3x = ~80MB Information theory would suggest that there are significant more degrees of freedom in the PA3x = more complexity = more to learn. By the way, even the lowly PA500 had ~22MB of manuals.

By the way, it is considered bad form to be rude to forum members who had no obligation to answer any of your 20 some questions here, when most of them could have been answered by reading the manuals.

This will be my last post to you. Good luck with your 'project'.

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