Style and Midi Clock question

[Buleriachk]

Hi all,

I am thinking of upgrading from the MicroArranger to the PA600QT. I am basically a Flamenco guitarist who would like to create backing tracks for Flamenco Compas structures where most of the important ones are in triple meter (3/4).

Flamenco is a unique art, and programmers that don't understand Flamenco are not usually successful e.g, the "Sevillanas" style on the PA80 truly sucked for accompanying dancers.... (none of the important phrase distinctions for that).

Since there are so few "Flamenco 3/4" styles available, one workaround for me is to cut the last beat off of 4/4 Midi patterns. For example, if I set the time signature to 3/4 in Ableton Live and then select a 4/4 Midi pattern in Maschine, only the first 3 beats will play before repeating, which gives interesting variations that often work well with Flamenco.

What I'd like to do is to play styles on the PA in the same way - set the Midi Clock to external with MIDI coming from an "external instrument" in Ableton Live, (which hopefully would parse the style as above in real time), and then play the PA using an external split keyboard for the style (One finger in the lower split for chords, melody on the upper STS tracks)

I can probably finagle MIDI routing if necessary; but will the 3/4 midi clock from Live play the first 3 beats of a 4/4 style in the PA (repetitively)?

Has anyone tried this? (and if not, why not?....

Also, could someone upload or send me examples of the 4 variations of the "3/4 Flamenco" style before I trial order the PA, since it is VERY expensive to return it to an online dealer (no one has one locally)

Thanks,

Chuck

[Nemik]

If this will work for you I can send you full report of sound used in 3/4 Flamenco in html version and midi exported from style, which after you put in
Ableton Live and try to match sounds give some idea how style play.
Only style is create in only with no chord changing, so when you play on DAW this midi you hear only 1 chord.

What I'd like to do is to play styles on the PA in the same way - set the Midi Clock to external with MIDI coming from an "external instrument" in Ableton Live, (which hopefully would parse the style as above in real time), and then play the PA using an external split keyboard for the style (One finger in the lower split for chords, melody on the upper STS tracks)

I can probably finagle MIDI routing if necessary; but will the 3/4 midi clock from Live play the first 3 beats of a 4/4 style in the PA (repetitively)?

Has anyone tried this? (and if not, why not?....Smile

I'm not positive on this, but pretty sure this not going to work .
from my knowledge, what is going to happen PA will sync clock, but will play all, not going to skip 4-th beat.

[Buleriachk]

Just an .mpg would be appreciated.

re: the 4/4 to 3/4 issue

I was surprised that Maschine worked so well this way. I guess I'll have to hook up my MicroArranger to a Uno to do an actual experiment.

The MIDI interface to a DAW like Ableton should be interesting; one should be able to create MIDI clip(s) that mimic the lower register to change chords in a progression, and possibly save the MIDI from the backing tracks to separate tracks in Live...

The PA600 does seem to be a huge step up from the PA80 (my original arranger).. What do you guys think?

[Nemik]

in order to .mpg you need to play it live.
I never play Flamenco, not my flavor
BTW .mpg is huge file to upload and require some time which I not really have at this time.
midi and report is best I can do... sorry

Pa600 is much improvement, but pa80 was best selling Arranger on market, I know people own it and they still loved.

MIDI Beat Clock does not transmit any location information (bar number or time code), is sending rate of 24 pulses per quarter note.
MIDI Beat Clock sending only 4 message to machine: clock, start,continue and stop.
Good luck with experience, If this will work i'll nicely surprise.
in Pa600 has option to cut out beat in style edit, you can easily change from 4/4 to 3/4
re; try it Pa600
you won't be disappointed is great arranger

[Buleriachk]

I never play Flamenco, not my flavor

That's Ok, nobody else with an arranger (besides me) does either

in Pa600 has option to cut out beat in style edit, you can easily change from 4/4 to 3/4

re; try it Pa600
you won't be disappointed is great arranger

Can I CHANGE an existing style from 4/4 to 3/4. (On the PA80 in style edit, you couldn't; you had to choose a meter, and then it couldn't be changed afterwards..)

If it can do that, it is definitely a deal maker..... But I'm going to test the MicroArranger and see what happens. Will report back (remind me)

[Nemik]

download user manual from http://www.korgpa.com/support/products/ ... nuals.html
and on page 56 "Style/Pad Edit: Cut" is all about

[Buleriachk]

My reading is that you can cut measures but not quarter notes (from a measure) 4/4 -> 3/4

download user manual from http://www.korgpa.com/support/products/ ... nuals.html
and on page 56 "Style/Pad Edit: Cut" is all about

[Buleriachk]

Apparently the time signature is set for the style, as in the PA80 (and microArranger). The only way to edit it would be to change it a DAW (change time signature and then manually edit each variation and resave it as a .sty file...

I had tried this before, but is very laborious...

[Nemik]

Apparently the time signature is set for the style, as in the PA80 (and microArranger). The only way to edit it would be to change it a DAW (change time signature and then manually edit each variation and resave it as a .sty file...

I had tried this before, but is very laborious...

yes, you right, my bad
Key signature is like template bed for style, is initiate length space for each element.
I will check later deeply how you can trick this.
tip : even if Pa play 3/4 style , along with style can somehow play 4/4 sequence PAD
I think is skipping extra.