3 more months

DonM · Post by **DonM** » Fri Oct 31, 2014 1:11 am

I'm going to shout now.
PLEASE fix it!
Thank you,
DonM

Post by **karmathanever** » Fri Oct 31, 2014 1:30 am

2.5 more months

pippuzzo · Post by **pippuzzo** » Fri Oct 31, 2014 8:13 am

Hi,

frankly speaking I had no troubles using fingered mode in pa300/900 (see my previous msg), since I'm use to Expert mode in Pa3X where chords are triggered even with a single note. But, again, that's me.

Korg cutted down two fingered modes (they were 3 in Pa3X and only one in newer models) I guess to simplify things. But it seems this has not really well accepted from several users. I see this thread following up since long time.
Following this forum I've also memory that Fingered never created problem before this kind of modification (older models), and there is visible track of this in the Pa800/500 section btw.

This it is possibly a case where simplifying had a serious contraindication with people strongly asking for restoring this feature. Being this a general request it is possibly smart from Korg following this suggestion that looks (according also to Thoraldus reasonable consideration) quite easy to achieve. So c'mon Korg ...
Just my 0,01%.

Cheers.

Dikikeys · Post by **Dikikeys** » Fri Oct 31, 2014 5:46 pm

The thing about Fingered3 mode is, it allows you to play stuff with your LH as well as merely trigger chords.

Obviously, this only really benefits people who actually CAN play with their LH, those that use the one finger or shortcut methods of chord recognition are already doing as much as they can just to get the right chord in, but there's a TON of really cool things you can do with this mode. Here's a few...

Counter lines... Play a single note (or two note if you are REALLY careful!) counter line with say a string sound after you have played the chord.

Bass 'pops'... Set up a bass finger 'pop' sound to ONLY sound above say 110 velocity (or whatever is comfortable to chord and not sound). Then play a funk tune and drop in the odd 'pop' whenever you feel like it. These things benefit from not sounding ALL the time, making your bassline less repetitive.

Whole keyboard bender mode... With practice, you can learn to do chord input AND soloing with the right hand, while your LH rides the bender. This can help out bigtime with guitar playing, particularly stuff that needs a LOT of bender use. Either set up the sound so that there is no sound at low velocities (so they don't hear the chord played) or even a rhythm guitar clean sound that cross-switches into a screaming lead sound. Now just play the chord with your RH, and go straight into the lead, all the time not having to lift your LH from the bender..! It's amazing, if you listen closely to it, that rock guitar, sax solos and many other things (synth solos, for instance) do the MOST effective bends exactly when you need to change chords. They are, in effect, bending ACROSS chord boundaries, which, of course, if you are playing in the traditional 'LH chords - RH solo' you simply cannot do, as you have to release the bender (which will spring back to zero) to play that new chord. This mode allows you to not have to leave the bender...

Yes, for players that have next to no LH skills, Fingered3 mode seems something of a luxury, but for the more advanced player, it can help you do amazing things virtually impossible any other way...

Thoraldus · Post by **Thoraldus** » Fri Oct 31, 2014 9:40 pm

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pippuzzo · Post by **pippuzzo** » Mon Nov 03, 2014 8:51 am

Hi,

Dikikeys wrote:The thing about Fingered3 mode is, it allows you to play stuff with your LH as well as merely trigger chords.

... but there's a TON of really cool things you can do with this mode. Here's a few...

Sorry but I'm not sure getting your explanation entirely. Could be interesting you making a short video to see this in action and to get immedialy the musical result. I'm curios about your explanation, so is this possible?

Dikikeys wrote:Yes, for players that have next to no LH skills, Fingered3 mode seems something of a luxury, but for the more advanced player, it can help you do amazing things virtually impossible any other way...

I'm not really confident with your sentence about LH skills and advanced players related to Fingered3. I don't see the point. A friend of mine has both (LH skills and adv. playing) and frankly speaking does not suffer at all about the Fingered mode of his Pa900. Not to mention (again) the monstre video clips from Marco Parisi with 300-600-900-Le, just in case you were still unsure about this. It is not a matter of making a "ability" classification, but mostly what you are musically creating, apart from any technical expertise you may be able to claim. I feel better you saying that Fingered 3 it is another good opportunity to make the music you like, the way you like, isn't it?

Again my 0,01%

Cheers

AntonySharmman · Post by **AntonySharmman** » Mon Nov 03, 2014 12:03 pm

It has became bored to explain for third time the figured mode issue , so for last time all of you try to understand what the following
mean or try to reproduce playing methods to see advanced players perspective ... If not I can't help you more than this !

Fingered recognition mode option in Pa600/900/Pa3XLe without fingered 3

- A skilled arranger user always uses chord memory in order to release his left hand due to use controller like Y/X/Sw 1-3 or Fill/Var.
If the only acceptable "expert" chord recognition mode of Pa900/LE is used then when playing for instance a complex chord like A7-9 ( A-Bd-C#-E )
and release your hand by math accuracy the last released notes will re-trigger scanning mode and result to a totally different chord & Bass
since the last released note (in mS) will be the Bb that will trigger A# unison harmony in expert mode and A#major in fingered mode !!!
- Some will happen when you want to use rhythmic patterns with an el.piano by your left hand , changing all time chord or chord root in split mode.
- Also we can't play unison octaves or duets using left-right hands for instance a spited piano sound in split mode , since any latest
recognition mode will interfere in our playing , changing chords !

I always use all above playing methods and those modes really "kill" me , forcing me playing like an amateur , precisely releasing my left hand
fingers only in next chord change in order to avoid chord misleading , this is totally unacceptable !

DonM · Post by **DonM** » Mon Nov 03, 2014 8:58 pm

"I always use all above playing methods and those modes really "kill" me , forcing me playing like an amateur , precisely releasing my left hand
fingers only in next chord change in order to avoid chord misleading , this is totally unacceptable !"
YES, that's the worst part of it. I've had to change the way I change chords because of this travesty.
DonM

Post by **karmathanever** » Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:44 am

This "Fingered 3" issue has come up so many times in recent topics it's hard to know which topic is which…..

…has ANYONE contacted/asked Korg directly yet?

I HAVE….

Pete

Thoraldus · Post by **Thoraldus** » Tue Nov 04, 2014 3:34 am

I have. No Response in over 10 days.

DonM · Post by **DonM** » Tue Nov 04, 2014 5:36 am

I have. I did not receive a response. I did not expect one either.

DonM

Post by **karmathanever** » Tue Nov 04, 2014 6:14 am

So that's "3" so far - not much of an impact????
Korg need to be made aware of the number of owners that need this "Fingered 3" change.
I also have to admit that I personally don't need this change as I have the PA3X

Really need to get double numbers my friends - at least. Maybe contact Korg jointly - specify exactly your keyboard model and requirement.
Limit the request to this single issue - don't send a wish-list.

Good luck with it

Pete

Thoraldus · Post by **Thoraldus** » Tue Nov 04, 2014 2:51 pm

My take on this is that the local sales companies are just that, just sales companies selling what Korg Italy produces. They probably have little input into the design process. We need to talk to Paolo.

Post by **karmathanever** » Tue Nov 04, 2014 3:21 pm

They probably have little input into the design process. We need to talk to Paolo.

Agree Rick - Korg Italy is the place to be contacting.
This is what I have done……

Pete

DonM · Post by **DonM** » Tue Nov 04, 2014 4:10 pm

O.K. I'll contact Korg Italy.
Thanks,
DonM