Programming AUTO FILL ON/OFF in next PA OS Upgrade

[Pfeff]

Actually, I'd love to have Songbook save which style intro, STS and variation for a song to start on. It's an absolute pain having to remember which combination each songbook entry is best starting at. The music finder on my Tyros 5 allows this with a simple off, 1, 2, 3 option for Intro and off, V1, V2, V3, V4 however it only allows the use of the default OTS voices verses STS on the PA3X which is flexible. You can get around this by saving the desired voices to a Registration bank on the T5 or saving a user style with altered OTS settings. Two great arranger's each with pluses and minuses.

[Fransman]

Can somebody please explain how to save autofill mode (on/off) in a Songbook-entry (in PA3X), because I don't know how to do it?

[siebenhirter]

Can somebody please explain how to save autofill mode (on/off) in a Songbook-entry (in PA3X), because I don't know how to do it?

Hello Frans,
can not find infos in manual of Pa3x how to do that. So it seems not beeing possiblo to save status of autofill-mode in Pa3x.

I'd love to have Songbook save which style intro, STS and variation for a song to start on. It's an absolute pain having to remember which combination each songbook entry is best starting at.

Hello John,
seems to be possible with each Pa-Keyboard to save start-on Element for each Sb-entry - if not, one did something wrong saving sb-entry (active style-element before last saving would be active start-on-element).

.. because operating system can be updated periodically for the delight of the users -
Now I'm amused…….

Hello karmathanever,
be amused about updates, which KORG defines as the "makes for the delight of the users". It's less amusing not to use opportunity to update for improvements.

[Dikikeys]

Karma, no-one is asking for anything that doesn't already exist. There's no extensive coding and testing phase. This is an utterly simple request.

I can't remember, but were you this dismissive of the PA900's users' request for the return of the missing Fingered Mode? If you were, I guess every PA900 user is grateful that Korg are FAR more concerned about their users' needs than you are!

[Snorkum]

I looked up the PA3X manual and went through. Some people in this post suggest that the Auto Fill on/off can be programmed with each song in the songbook. I could not find it anywhere in the manual where there is a place or location for this function to be programmed.
So if someone make a statement please make sure you are right. Even in the PA3x you have to turn it on manually.
And if I am wrong about this, please let me know and tell me what page it is on.
As of now, my request to program this function in the Songbook area is a very reasonable request.

[Dikikeys]

Even if this isn't on the PA3X OS (good grief!), it is a simple one bit switch parameter. ON or OFF... just like a hundred other simple on/off parameters that the OS currently DOES store. This is NOT a major job for the programmers to add.

It's considerably less complicated than adding another Fingered Mode...

All Korg need is the knowledge that this is quite a popular need. Which is the purpose of this thread, NOT for some people to lord it over lesser model users (until they find to their chagrin that they don't even have it themselves!).

No-one is asking for Karma to be ported from the Kronos. Just a simple on/off parameter stored in the Songbook or Performance architecture. If this is too difficult in your opinion for Korg to quickly do, you guys are really in trouble about anything else!

[karmathanever]

Can somebody please explain how to save autofill mode (on/off) in a Songbook-entry (in PA3X), because I don't know how to do it?

Not possible on PA3X

it is a simple one bit switch parameter. ON or OFF... just like a hundred other simple on/off parameters that the OS currently DOES store. This is NOT a major job for the programmers to add.

The problem here is the misconception that writing and changing complex software like an OS is "simple"
As with all software, any change, big or small is part of an upgrade development process which requires not only the "code" to implement the change, but retesting and user acceptance testing (UAT) within the vendor in order to ensure that the changes did not corrupt any other part of the software.
Yes, some changes may be easier than others, but all of them require the planning, coding and testing - these are expensive tasks for the vendor, so to just say "adding a simple bit switch parameter" demonstrates a common misunderstanding that "simple to the user" is usually NOT "simple to the software developer" - these "requests" might seem simple to the product owner but could be the complete reverse to the vendor.
I say all of this respectfully and with years of direct experience.

Also, bear in mind that any "free" upgrade is a cost to the vendor and hence a business decision - Korg is a company that needs to survive (certainly from my perspective).

But the FACT remains - Korg have already provided a full package of current range arranger products, I hope to see more in the future.
All the options are there - buy the one you want.

[Snorkum]

Karma:

You are correct in principle. Writing software myself for automation equipment I know a little bit about it. And you are correct in stating that any upgrade, no matter a small/large has to be tested. And that takes time and money.
But here is my beef, this feature, extremely simple does not exist in any keyboard in PA series. (300, 600, 900 and PA3x). And even if I wanted to buy a PA3X, I still would not have this feature (According to the manual).
And I am not saying that they have to do one just for this. Not at all. I am just suggesting in a future upgarde maybe they could consider this feature to be added. If Korg does like many other company, even like myself, they know what customers are looking for. Therefore they may construct a upgrade list sheet, or something like this, and than decide on the degree of difficulty. Because I cannot imagine that they just say, OH TODAY WE DO AN UPGRADE. For that matter we might have to wait several months before another upgrade will come, maybe longer, maybe forever. And I am OK with this. As long as I know that I tried to bring an issue up and tried to get it changed.
But right now, all we have is opinions and nobody wants anything about it.
How can we go about suggesting it to Korg and see if they this can be placed on the list for the next upgrade. I have asked this question already twice. But nobody gave me an answer. The only thing I heard was biggering and complaining. Stop complaining and let's do something about at least try.

[karmathanever]

How can we go about suggesting it to Korg and see if they this can be placed on the list for the next upgrade. I have asked this question already twice. But nobody gave me an answer

Hi Snorkum

The only way I can answer this is:-
Firstly Korg do monitor (unofficially) these forums.
Of course there is no guarantee that they will see all the posts and requests.
Korg have responded and provided great service to us in the past and sometimes from these forums.

The only way you can guarantee that your "request" is read is to contact Korg (Italy) directly.
The trouble with that is that it may be seen as a single-person request, so such a request could reference the forum topics where, clearly there are several owners wanting the same changes etc…
I am sure Korg watches us as a means of determining where they go in the future.

All the best

Pete

[Snorkum]

Karma:

I thank you very much for this answer. This was about the most constructive answer I have received on one of my question.

I still have the poll going in the 900 section. Unfortunately, it's like with everything else, so many poeple moan, grown and bitch, but only 16 people participated in that. Oh well, I see what I can do.

[Pfeff]

I'd love to have Songbook save which style intro, STS and variation for a song to start on. It's an absolute pain having to remember which combination each songbook entry is best starting at.

Hello John,
seems to be possible with each Pa-Keyboard to save start-on Element for each Sb-entry - if not, one did something wrong saving sb-entry (active style-element before last saving would be active start-on-element).

Thanks... I'd completely forgotten that my Pa saves the intro/variation preferences when you save the entry. But they don't save the preferred STS. That needs to be programmed so the preference is saved to STS 1.

Funny how you forget options and settings when you swap boards!

[Fransman]

In a future OS-update, I'm sure... nah... I hope Korg fixes this (autofill mode).
I don't think it's very complicated to implement.

It's the same function as you have with the style variation you're in, or the intro you selected;
you can save that with the songbook entry also.

It's not a flaw or a malfunction. It just would be handy to have...

[siebenhirter]

Korg ... they've just produced smaller and cheaper models by cutting some features. These keyboards are DIFFERENT models in the current range ..

The basic equipment - that are real differences to get different models:
Pa300 comes with 5"-TFT, 2x13 Watt.
Pa600 additional has 3band-EQ/track, DNC-voices, PCM-user-Memory, Accordsequenzer, Standard-Midi-IO, analog Out-L/R, Micro-SD-Card, 7"-TFT, 2x15Watt.
Pa900 additional has Aftertouch, Video-out, Samplefunctions, Drawbars, 2x-Player, 2x20W.

In addition to the basic equipment there is no reason, why not to update OS of each different model to get a better useable model in its class. It is possible to update OS of each model - and Korg announced why (for the delight of the users as formulated by Korg itselv).

.. as with all software, any change, big or small is part of an upgrade development process ...all of them require the planning, coding and testing - these are expensive tasks for the vendor

If Korg have just produced smaller and cheaper models by cutting some features - but primarily not software, because also all of them would require the planning, coding and testing and these are also expensive tasks for the vendor!

It primarily is not software causing that differences and it is not a problem to update OS to pin down each different model.

I think OS-updates are performed too timid and too little extensive. And maybe that is because also users in forums fight jealous against efforts to get handy features which one misses compared to other brands, similar or previous models.

If it would be a hurdle to implement the memory status of a simple on-off-function then OS-update would be a farce without delight of the users.

PS: If anyone deemed features for practical or not is his personal thing - it is ok to be discussed, but as happened often one must not make it ridiculous here.

[Dikikeys]

Karma... don't I remember you saying pretty much the exact same thing when there was that hullabaloo over the disappeared Fingered Mode? That creating a new OS was a highly complicated thing, blah blah blah...

Don't you recall Korg coming out with an update a few weeks later, with the very thing that was missing added?

Perhaps Korg are better at this than you give them credit for?