well ... after 3 weeks of trying.
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well ... after 3 weeks of trying.
ive taken the electribe back, its not a bad unit but it didnt click with me. i flussed over some of the things that didnt feel good about it in hopes that i would find a way to get into the meat of the machine, but i didnt. listening to some or your tracks on here guys n gals makes me know that this machine is capable it just wasnt as fun as the older tribes i had. chunky work flow. kinda meh effects. i think ill hit up my friends suggestion and give NI's Maschine studio a try
I agree..
I agree, the Electribe2 lacks the personality of the older models. I'm not going to return mine though. I'm gonna go with the Elektrons and try to integrate the E2 in a supportive role. Korg dropped the ball with this unit. They would be better off abandoning it and going back to the drawing board. They don't need to forget about the low end market but should acknowledge the mid to high end market. There are a lot of us that would be glad to pay for a Groovebox with some serious horsepower under the hood. It's to bad I don't have the patience to wait for Korg to figure this out. So it's all about Elektron now.....
I like it for its portability...I have the elektron machinedrum but its so sound specific I dont use it much. Ive got maschine as well, not the studio though, and it is very clunky imo...the sequencers just too limited so it needs set up within a DAW, which is more time consuming.
Never lusted after the other electribes, had the ea-1 but thats very basic. I like this one, the synth sounds are decent, but Im waiting on the sampler.
One thing with maschine is I bought a dell win 8 tablet and put it in the stand so once it was booted up it was like a standalone MPC on steroids...used to get around 4 1/2hours battery time and enough horsepower to run a few groups. Was fun for a while.
Never lusted after the other electribes, had the ea-1 but thats very basic. I like this one, the synth sounds are decent, but Im waiting on the sampler.
One thing with maschine is I bought a dell win 8 tablet and put it in the stand so once it was booted up it was like a standalone MPC on steroids...used to get around 4 1/2hours battery time and enough horsepower to run a few groups. Was fun for a while.
Another one "bust the dust" or whatever... so long... sorry to hear that...mate...
If I count properly there are 5 people that sold the E2 so far on this forum.. Worldwide, comparing to sold units the 10-20 unhappy campers of E2 is not bad. I do thank you guys. Truly. Companies such as Korg should note this "new phenomenon" of half-baked buggy products that are so common these days and DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
There are companies that cannot get better product on market. The generic problem is that the RD (Research & Development) for these units cost so much money that no kickstarter startup would touch E2 functionality. Look at Messe/NAMM there are a lot of newcomers.. but most of it are toys. You'd need 20+ years of experience building a DSP, AD/DA display/battery powered, touch sensitive pad equipped products to make it successful
Somebody mentioned here on the forum that whatever gizmo has the USB functionality is suspected to more bugs. I do agree with that statement. The poor developer at Korg needs to play with frigin USB shite to make it work. Taking the time away from other more important musical and ergonomic functions of the box.. The usb functions are one of the big differences between the new E and the old E. (I hope I'm right ... don't have old EMX anymore)
More I think about these "bye bye E2" threads the more is clear to me that this is going to affect the resell value of the E2. Well, I do enjoy my E2 very much. with pops occasional freezes ... hoping that korg will give us v 2.0 firmware like they did for M3 and kronos. If that is not true then we should expect more expensive PRO version of this.
I've learned to accept partially half-baked products in this complicated technology era.
If I count properly there are 5 people that sold the E2 so far on this forum.. Worldwide, comparing to sold units the 10-20 unhappy campers of E2 is not bad. I do thank you guys. Truly. Companies such as Korg should note this "new phenomenon" of half-baked buggy products that are so common these days and DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
There are companies that cannot get better product on market. The generic problem is that the RD (Research & Development) for these units cost so much money that no kickstarter startup would touch E2 functionality. Look at Messe/NAMM there are a lot of newcomers.. but most of it are toys. You'd need 20+ years of experience building a DSP, AD/DA display/battery powered, touch sensitive pad equipped products to make it successful
Somebody mentioned here on the forum that whatever gizmo has the USB functionality is suspected to more bugs. I do agree with that statement. The poor developer at Korg needs to play with frigin USB shite to make it work. Taking the time away from other more important musical and ergonomic functions of the box.. The usb functions are one of the big differences between the new E and the old E. (I hope I'm right ... don't have old EMX anymore)
More I think about these "bye bye E2" threads the more is clear to me that this is going to affect the resell value of the E2. Well, I do enjoy my E2 very much. with pops occasional freezes ... hoping that korg will give us v 2.0 firmware like they did for M3 and kronos. If that is not true then we should expect more expensive PRO version of this.
I've learned to accept partially half-baked products in this complicated technology era.
The one to blame is Korg for releasing a product too early. And also to blame people that are fine with being unpaid beta testers. It is sad many people defend Korg so much without real arguments. As if we should accept half finished products and cut multi billion companies some slack when they fail this hard.
If everybody has that mindset, we will get nothing but unfinished products.
As soon customers stop caring about quality and become fanboys you just can't expect any good machines anymore. And why would Korg bother releasing something decent? Half of their customers doesn't care and the half that does will get told off by the first group.
Its been over 5 months since initial release and early adaptors will only have seen 1 firmware update. That did only fix the gap slightly when changing patterns. The gap is still there when changing busy patterns, or to a pattern with mutes.
It's Korg's fault they use a crappy DSP and/or crappy programmers. It's the customers fault they let Korg get away with this stuff by defending them and telling people you need to wait or that despite it's flaws its still good. Even if it is good with the flaws, you paid too much for it.
I can't see the logic in this and in the end Korg learns nothing but that their customers have polarised opinions and half of them is fine with unfinished products and will happily give their money away and wait for an eternity on uncertain updates, if they come at all. All while defending an unfinished product to the other half of the customers.
It must give a good feeling inside to tell other people that clicks/pops or bugs don't matter that much for the price you paid. Or that you need to work around it. Fact remains that these are not by design, they are bugs. Accepting this is stupid and ultimately gives big companies even more power instead of the consumers.
I don't care how cheap they sell these boxes, fact remains is that they're unfinished and most likely will never be as they were intended by Korg. No amount of fanboyish defending will change that fact.
If everybody has that mindset, we will get nothing but unfinished products.
As soon customers stop caring about quality and become fanboys you just can't expect any good machines anymore. And why would Korg bother releasing something decent? Half of their customers doesn't care and the half that does will get told off by the first group.
Its been over 5 months since initial release and early adaptors will only have seen 1 firmware update. That did only fix the gap slightly when changing patterns. The gap is still there when changing busy patterns, or to a pattern with mutes.
It's Korg's fault they use a crappy DSP and/or crappy programmers. It's the customers fault they let Korg get away with this stuff by defending them and telling people you need to wait or that despite it's flaws its still good. Even if it is good with the flaws, you paid too much for it.
I can't see the logic in this and in the end Korg learns nothing but that their customers have polarised opinions and half of them is fine with unfinished products and will happily give their money away and wait for an eternity on uncertain updates, if they come at all. All while defending an unfinished product to the other half of the customers.
It must give a good feeling inside to tell other people that clicks/pops or bugs don't matter that much for the price you paid. Or that you need to work around it. Fact remains that these are not by design, they are bugs. Accepting this is stupid and ultimately gives big companies even more power instead of the consumers.
I don't care how cheap they sell these boxes, fact remains is that they're unfinished and most likely will never be as they were intended by Korg. No amount of fanboyish defending will change that fact.
Well said and correct on all points..dutchcow wrote:The one to blame is Korg for releasing a product too early. And also to blame people that are fine with being unpaid beta testers. It is sad many people defend Korg so much without real arguments. As if we should accept half finished products and cut multi billion companies some slack when they fail this hard.
If everybody has that mindset, we will get nothing but unfinished products.
As soon customers stop caring about quality and become fanboys you just can't expect any good machines anymore. And why would Korg bother releasing something decent? Half of their customers doesn't care and the half that does will get told off by the first group.
Its been over 5 months since initial release and early adaptors will only have seen 1 firmware update. That did only fix the gap slightly when changing patterns. The gap is still there when changing busy patterns, or to a pattern with mutes.
It's Korg's fault they use a crappy DSP and/or crappy programmers. It's the customers fault they let Korg get away with this stuff by defending them and telling people you need to wait or that despite it's flaws its still good. Even if it is good with the flaws, you paid too much for it.
I can't see the logic in this and in the end Korg learns nothing but that their customers have polarised opinions and half of them is fine with unfinished products and will happily give their money away and wait for an eternity on uncertain updates, if they come at all. All while defending an unfinished product to the other half of the customers.
It must give a good feeling inside to tell other people that clicks/pops or bugs don't matter that much for the price you paid. Or that you need to work around it. Fact remains that these are not by design, they are bugs. Accepting this is stupid and ultimately gives big companies even more power instead of the consumers.
I don't care how cheap they sell these boxes, fact remains is that they're unfinished and most likely will never be as they were intended by Korg. No amount of fanboyish defending will change that fact.
It's a sad fact that fanboyism is like some sort of cult these days. If something is s**t, it's s**t. I don't care who made it.
Korg gear : EMX1SD, Volca Sample, DS-10
iOS: Gadget, iM1, iElectribe, iMs20, iPolysix, iKaossilator
History : Korg E2, Mini KP, Kaossilator Mini, R3
iOS: Gadget, iM1, iElectribe, iMs20, iPolysix, iKaossilator
History : Korg E2, Mini KP, Kaossilator Mini, R3
Ahhhh... Thanks for clearing that up. There's me thinking a fanboy is a modern take on a punkah wallah.Ted3000 wrote:
FANBOY
fan • boy
[fan-boi]
noun Informal: Often Disparaging.
1. Someone on a message board who likes something that you dislike:
The fanboy defended the new Korg electribe because he liked it, therefore his opinion is irrelevant.
If I'm not listening to music, or if I'm not making music, then I'm probably thinking about music.
Volca Sample, FM, Beats, Kick. OP-1, Monologue, Pocket Operators. And an ipad.
Volca Sample, FM, Beats, Kick. OP-1, Monologue, Pocket Operators. And an ipad.
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I thought I was the only one. But at least there's two of us, then. And that bloke on the mountain, with all the the snow around him. Yeah. So there's at least three of us.apapdop wrote:My personal "argument" for accepting this particular half-finished product is that i really like it.
I don't know about the two of you, but for me that's enough for a reunion in a couple of years.
HALF-FINISHED
half • fin • ished
[haaf-ˈfiniSHt]
adjective hyperbolic
1. Something you bought that has a couple of bugs. It might also be missing a feature you wanted which was neither promised nor advertised; 97% complete:
The disc jockey punched a hole in the wall with his trembling fist because he was tricked into buying a half-finished groovebox by an uncaring corporation in a cold a universe which was indifferent to human suffering.
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