electribe2 - What a disappointment!

Tarekith · Post by **Tarekith** » Sat May 30, 2015 10:53 am

It's usually less about disliking forums for me, than it is certain people on said forums.

sl23 · Post by **sl23** » Sat May 30, 2015 11:39 am

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dutchcow · Post by **dutchcow** » Sun May 31, 2015 9:42 am

Any negative or critical post here will get some cheap argument fanboy retort. It is sad when people feel the need to point out that someone with another opinion isn't using the E2 properly, or does't work within the constraints of it.

Such comments are simple and only show you did not read any of the arguments of the person with negative comment. I really don't get defending a piece of machinery. The E2 doesn't care when someone gives it a negative review. If only some people on this forum could do the same.

So when someone complains about the lack of control on for example fx, instead of responding that the person doesn't understand how Korg wants you to use the fx, don't respond at all. That is unless you want to come over like someone who has nothing better to do than defending some piece of equipment.

Learn how to cope with criticism. If you take negative reviews about hardware to heart/personally you're doing something wrong.

Frenzies · Post by **Frenzies** » Sun May 31, 2015 1:06 pm

dutchcow wrote:Any negative or critical post here will get some cheap argument fanboy retort. It is sad when people feel the need to point out that someone with another opinion isn't using the E2 properly, or does't work within the constraints of it.

Such comments are simple and only show you did not read any of the arguments of the person with negative comment. I really don't get defending a piece of machinery. The E2 doesn't care when someone gives it a negative review. If only some people on this forum could do the same.

So when someone complains about the lack of control on for example fx, instead of responding that the person doesn't understand how Korg wants you to use the fx, don't respond at all. That is unless you want to come over like someone who has nothing better to do than defending some piece of equipment.

Learn how to cope with criticism. If you take negative reviews about hardware to heart/personally you're doing something wrong.

Any positive post on here will get some cheap haters retort. It's sad when people feel the need to point out that someone with another opinion is a stupid Korg fan boy.
Such comments are simple and only show you didn't read any of the arguments of the person with the positive comments. The e2 doesn't care if some people like and defend it when people complain about it, if only some people on this forum could do the same.
So when someone says how much fun the unit is or how well it worked live, instead of responding that that person is too dumb to see the flaws or to try and workaround specific design decisions, don't respond at all. That is unless you want to come over like someone who has nothing better to do than attacking some piece of equipment.
Learn how to cope with a differing opinion. If you take positive comments about hardware to heart personally you're doing something wrong.

Ted3000 · Post by **Ted3000** » Sun May 31, 2015 3:36 pm

I think I'll register at the Teenage Engineering boards and write a negative review of the OP1 that I sold. It just wasn't for me, but the world hasn't acknowledged my pain.

If I get any pushback, it's because they're FANBOYS! It's the only reason they'd tell me to stuff it. I mean, they're the crazy ones, right? There was a thing I didn't like about the way it worked. So I'm going to say it sucks, and also spread misinformation.

It might not directly affect sales or development, but again, this is about me and my wounded ego. Notice me! I'm better and smarter than a big-name gear company! Everyone is stupid except me! 4 bars! Betrayal! Arrrgh!

MS-DOS · Post by **MS-DOS** » Sun May 31, 2015 6:03 pm

i see teds insulting schtick is alive and well.
damn what a pathetic POS.

thesigma · Post by **thesigma** » Sun May 31, 2015 6:20 pm

MS-DOS wrote:i see teds insulting schtick is alive and well.
damn what a pathetic POS.

Ted, or the electribe.....?

Or both?

* ducks for cover*

brambos · Post by **brambos** » Mon Jun 01, 2015 7:05 am

Oh noes... a sub-€500 synth that has *gasp* limitations.

I think that instead of selling it I'll keep it as a license to troll a forum about said instrument and incessantly stalk people who seem to be coping with the limitations of the instrument just fine.

They deserve no less because obviously they are morons for being able to deal with an instrument's specifications when I could not.

dutchcow · Post by **dutchcow** » Mon Jun 01, 2015 11:32 am

You don't see me attacking people. I'm stating some observations. It is always the same with fanboy wars anyways, nobody listens and everybody is right.

Re-Member · Post by **Re-Member** » Mon Jun 01, 2015 6:06 pm

sl23 wrote: Bollox! Look at the Novation Nova! Barely bigger than an e2 and look at how much has been packed into a NON cramped interface! Could've added a sequencer to a Nova without too much space. Then minus a few knobs and buttons to save space and there you have the reduced size for a compact unit. Not too difficult really is it?! Just Korg being tight as they ALWAYS have been with their gear!

The Novation Nova retailed for nearly three times the price of the current Electribes. Korg aren't the one's being "tight" here, it's a budget instrument. Sure, they could have piled on a loads of extra knobs and sliders, but would you seriously want a $1,000 Electribe?

stlkr · Post by **stlkr** » Tue Jun 02, 2015 10:07 am

research before buying.
end of story.

sl23 · Post by **sl23** » Tue Jun 02, 2015 10:42 am

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ElectribeNut · Post by **ElectribeNut** » Tue Jun 02, 2015 10:47 am

sl23 wrote:
Tarekith wrote:It's usually less about disliking forums for me, than it is certain people on said forums.
True, because it's all too easy to slate people from a distance and misconstrue their comments

OP a lot of your complaints are valid. Some weren't but I personally didn't feel it was right for such high ranking members to skull bash you for the statements you made in error. It just shows their personal weakness in life and reflects on their poor professional skill sets.

This Electribe has been the first time in the series that it had taken a step backwards, while trying to move sideways. I could throw onto the bad side but won't. Work flow has been stunted in my opinion. For me time is priceless. A sh--ty synth can be sold but time can't be replaced.

The ableton save function has been poor in my own opinion. Many times the tracks get cut down to 12 after the first save on whichever computer I use. Tested on 3 different computers, 2 different OS's, and on Ableton Suite. There is a fix, just create 4 new tracks and add the missing audio but having to do this to every project is unjustifiable.

Korg's lack of response, pulled comments from sponsored DJ's, no staff replies on forums, and mentions of one last firmware is justification that this is a dead product to them. Let's just hope they move on and learn from this, with a better revision.

I just wish Korg gave us all "Electribe Beta Tester Badges".... at least I would feel the love... anyone else feel like this was an Steam Early Release?

sl23 · Post by **sl23** » Tue Jun 02, 2015 11:06 am

Thanks for the comments......

thesigma · Post by **thesigma** » Tue Jun 02, 2015 4:13 pm

sl23 wrote:That's the whole point... YES!!! I would rather have and pay for something that had more control and an easier interface than tolerate sub standard equipment released without the thought about the end user but instead for sole act of making money. You think that's ok? Well, without meaning to sound like a personal attack, which it isn't, that's really sad!

I too was hoping for something that combined sampling and synthesis (and drum synthesis), a better sequencer that could do at least 16 bars and worked with external gear better, for around $1000 US street price. I think Elektron has shown that that is not too expensive a price point as most of thier gear is just over a grand.

However Korg Looked to the lower end of the market. Not as low as the Volcas, but still Affordable to most. However it is extemely flawed in my opinion, and expensive enough that those flaws are going to hurt its sales.

Limitations on the original electribes, EA1/ER1, were very inspiring, so I don't mind limitation at all it makes you be more inventive and creative about how to use an instrument. I made some good stuff on these two tribes.

My first gear that I owned was an EA1 and ES1. I wouldn't call the limitations inspiring, butwith creativity you could get decent stuff out of them and it was my setup for 5 years until I had moved up in life to afford better gear (I still own both and would likely never sell them due to the memories)

But, why are they still churning out seperate Synth and samplers that are now exactly the same hardware, except maybe a few chips and the software, when they could easily have made one with a few more Parts, a few more Knobs, kept the 8 bars, made the interface easier and that would have cost probably the same as an EMX1 on it's release?!

That is a question only Korg can answer. I think they could have tripled the knobs and only increased the cost maybe $100. They would need a bigger case and that is an expensive case (Die cast magnesium or something right?)

The e2 is fantastic, sound-wise, it's seriously let down by the massive change in the interface and the shorter sequencer, as well as the fact that there is simply no need to have seperate boxes when one could do the job of both. Korg are drip-feeding tech, like all manufacturers, true, but they make it sooo much more obvious, like they are rubbing it in yer face!

Only thing I can say here is if you don't like it don't buy into it.

If somebody you met took advantage of you in some way financially, would you pat them on the back and wish them the best? That's what you are doing here!

I still don't understand why people feel like they are being taken advantage of? It's not like a con man sold you a condo on the beach and you got there and the beach was a swamp and the condo had no indoor plumbing...The product delivered is the product advertised (Albeit with some bugs and issues, which I am NOT Defending) it was announced from the start that there would be TWO E2's, one synth, one sampler. No one did a bait and switch on you, I still don't see how anyone is being taken advantage of. You don't have to buy it!

I like Korg products, always have, but when I started getting into music production as a hobby, I very quickly noticed that other manufacturers weren't overcharging for what was offered the way that Korg do. Look at the original electribes, even at the time, I thought they were overpriced and still do. In fact ALL hardware is overpriced, yet people accept it and say nothing, because they like the product.

I think Korg pricing is pretty much in line with Roland, Yamaha has no comparable products in the "groove" market anymore, except maybe the Tenori-On. Elektron is way more expensive, though feature wise you get more than an electribe offers. DSI is mostly analogs and they are vastly more expensive to manufacture than digital synths.Hardware cost's more, and our little segment of the musical instrument business is a small (though growing all the time) Niche market. Which brings me to:

How is it that you can get a laptop that can do far far more than any piece of hardware for a few hundred pound, dollars or yen, and you buy a small box like the e2 for the same price and you LOVE the fact that it 'ONLY' cost £330 despite it's massively underpowered compared to the laptop.

Well first I don't LOVE it, but the answer to the basic price difference is: Economy of Scale (seriously do they not teach basic economics anymore?!?!?) General purpose computing is a vastly larger market than the Groovebox Niche of the musical instrument market. Even specialized Gaming computers is a vastly larger market. using random numbers here to demonstrate a point, for every 1000 electribes korg sells, Dell likely sells a Million laptops. the more units you manufacturer, the cheaper the per unit cost, due to:
Spreading the one time cost over more units, one time cost is R&D, and manufacturing tooling to make the cases and PCBs.
Greater discount on the individual components by purchasing larger quantities. Go order some resistors from Mouser electronics, you wiull find it is cheaper to order 200, than it is to order 20. not all components scale down that much, but when you buy 10million i7 chips in a quarter, youre getting them way cheaper than when I go buy one.
then you have interchangeable parts and sub assemblies. one motherboard is used in many laptop models, just chang the video chip and processor, maynbe a diffent screen type, throw in some beats by dre speakers to jack up the price of the same laptop if you really want to talk about a ripoff its beats by dre....

Different beast it may be, but doesn't change the fact you're getting less for your money and the bonus for people like Korg is that you praise and defend them for ripping you off!

And you can choose how to spend your money. I have chosen not to buy the E2, and now that its out, I'm not seeing much reason to buy the E2S either. And back to the rip off argument? Just don't buy it. No one is making you buy it. Some people prefer hardware interfaces over a computer, some people stare at a computer screen all day at work and don't want to to make music. some people don't like copy protection and having to pay for upgrades just to use the software on newer hardware or a newer OS. 64 bit anyone, I'd have needed to spend over $2000 to update software I had to function on my 64bit win 7 machine when i switched from XP, sure there were new features in those versions, but I didn't want or need them, just wanted the software I purchased to keep working like it had. so to you its a ripoff, fine , don't buy it.

Btw, I paid £450 for my brand new Nova 3 years after release, the same as the EMX1 on release! Which is the better instrument? There isn't even a competition, the sounds on the EMX1 were ok but the Nova is far superior.

Prices do typically drop after initial release. Which is better? thats always a matter of opinion, Personally for the same money I'd take the Nova every time. Doesn't make an EMX1 a ripoff, they really are different beast's.

And finally if you don't like what Korg is doing don't buy the product. and if you want them to know it, send them a nice letter because I'm pretty sure they don't read the stuff here....