New Electribe Sampler User Tip/Tricks

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Since most of the threads here related to the new sampler are just soapboxes to discuss whether it's garbage, or brilliant. I thought I would start this one to discuss tips and tricks that owners of the new sampler have figured out. My sampler arrives in a few hours, and I plan on enjoying using it. All hardware has its quirks, and people always figured them out.

There is this thread that has links to files that will load the new sampler sans all of its samples and patterns.

http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/ ... hp?t=97982

What else is out there?

[gizmoismogwai]

Good idea. Maybe if this thread is successful it can be stickied for everyone's future reference.

TIP 1:
I would like to confirm that you CAN sample or resample to the internal metronome and the metronome does not end up in your sample. Just make sure the metronome option is set to ON. And remember to load up a totally blank pattern so all you're sampling is the source you intend to record.

This means you can load up a bunch of samples to the pads and then play a loose beat and then insert it as a loop into a pattern pad. This is one way to get around the rigid 16-step resolution of the device.

Alternately you could plug a synth or guitar into the Audio In jack and play to the metronome and get loops that way.

TIP 2:
This is less of a tip and more of a very important function everyone should know about. By this point you may have heard that whenever you add new samples to the device you have to use the EXPORT ALL SAMPLE function in the Data menu to back it up to the .all file the ES2 keeps on your SD card. This ensures that when you turn on the device the same set of samples is loaded in.

It's important to note that you only need to do this sample export one time and then every time you turn the machine on the samples remain. But if you make any changes to existing samples or add/subtract samples you'll need to use the EXPORT SAMPLE (for single sample saving) or EXPORT ALL SAMPLE (to save everything at once). If you don't, your changes will load the next time you turn the machine on.

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I got my sampler last night and put maybe an hour of play time into it. I'll say right off the bat, that anyone who says this iteration of the Electribe Sampler is subpar to the ESX is simply trying to get a rise out of you guys, or doesn't own one. The modulation section alone, with its 72 presets, and several that combine with the insert effects BLOWS away the sound shaping capabilities of the ESX. Then you have 4 note polyphony on each part, which was simply just way better than the ESX. I can't speak for some of the arrangement type things yet, but I am certain that with some time and experience, that I will never regret selling my ESX for the new sampler. I certainly don't yet, and I've only just started.

[Modular Grey]

Good idea. Maybe if this thread is successful it can be stickied for everyone's future reference.

TIP 1:

This is less of a tip and more of a very important function everyone should know about. By this point you may have heard that whenever you add new samples to the device you have to use the EXPORT PATTERN ALL function

you mean Export ALL SAMPLE.

[sauce]

The modulation section alone, with its 72 presets

Nice. I have been wondering, can you modulate start and end points for samples?

[Tarekith]

OSC Edit knob is supposed to be Sample Start, so that should at least be modulatable.

[sauce]

OSC Edit knob is supposed to be Sample Start, so that should at least be modulatable.

That is a huge step forward. Can you modulate loop points?

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[gizmoismogwai]

Good idea. Maybe if this thread is successful it can be stickied for everyone's future reference.

TIP 1:

This is less of a tip and more of a very important function everyone should know about. By this point you may have heard that whenever you add new samples to the device you have to use the EXPORT PATTERN ALL function

you mean Export ALL SAMPLE.

Yes you're right. I'll fix my original post for clarity's sake.

[DEEPMOSES]

Hello all,

Total newbie, just registered! (if I do something wrong please let me know)

I've been thinking about buying the new Electribe sampler and am in the process of gathering as much info as possible before committing.
I must say this forum has been incredibly informative, as well as entertaining.

As mentioned I don't currently own an Electribe but have a lot of experience over the years with groove-boxes of all shapes and sizes, including the first incarnations of the Es1 and Er1.

I'm interested in understanding the limitations and possible work-arounds, which is why I joined this thread. I found this video very informative:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRWc6QWhYdA

At 22:20 he mentions being able to change the sequencer resolution from 16th to 8th and also 32nd notes. Am I wrong in thinking that you can get 8 bars by halving the tempo and increasing the resolution to 32nd notes?

At 30:25 He also suggests a very interesting workaround to the "effects Tail" issue which sounds totally reasonable, and in my mind pretty much puts the issue to bed, providing of course that the same is true for the Sampler version.

Looking forward to your replies!

[thesigma]

Welcome. I don't own the new boxes but I have heard conflicting reports here as to wether tails are cut or not on "dummy" parts as described in the video. This was certainly true on older electribes. Also the "8 bar workaround" is fine if you don't mind the following limitations: halving the tempo is going to be interesting if you have to sync to other sequencers already programmed at normal tempo. Also it seems you still only have 4 bars of 16 steps so I guess you only get 8th notes, no way to do 16ths. Or can some one who owns one clarify this?

Again welcome to the tribe....forgive the pun.

[DEEPMOSES]

Also the "8 bar workaround" is fine if you don't mind the following limitations: halving the tempo is going to be interesting if you have to sync to other sequencers already programmed at normal tempo. Also it seems you still only have 4 bars of 16 steps so I guess you only get 8th notes, no way to do 16ths. Or can some one who owns one clarify this?

Hey, thanks for the welcome and the reply.

Not too worried about synching with other gear at the moment.

In the parameter guide under PATTERN PARAMETERS it says:

"BEAT ......[16, 32, 8Tri, 16Tri]
Specifies the beat (time signature) of the pattern.

TIP: If this is set to 8Tri or 16Tri, trigger pads 13–16 of the Step
Jump function are assigned to steps 1–4 of the next measure."

Which is why I came to the conclusion you could get 16th by setting the beat (time signature) to 32 and halving the tempo. Hopefully someone can test that.

I'm also preferring the look of the sampler version, I think long term its going to more versatile. Also the ability to resample or bounce down tracks as it were should get around round a lot of the limitations mentioned, ie: freeing up polyphony and adding multiple effects by resampling etc...

I think Mistabishi's "Prime Mover" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=To13Gl1 ... TGZxYxDF-Q
is an amazing showcase of what the sampler can do, change overs and track progressions are flawless, albeit a tiny "clik"

[gizmoismogwai]

Also the "8 bar workaround" is fine if you don't mind the following limitations: halving the tempo is going to be interesting if you have to sync to other sequencers already programmed at normal tempo. Also it seems you still only have 4 bars of 16 steps so I guess you only get 8th notes, no way to do 16ths. Or can some one who owns one clarify this?

Hey, thanks for the welcome and the reply.

Not too worried about synching with other gear at the moment.

In the parameter guide under PATTERN PARAMETERS it says:

"BEAT ......[16, 32, 8Tri, 16Tri]
Specifies the beat (time signature) of the pattern.

TIP: If this is set to 8Tri or 16Tri, trigger pads 13–16 of the Step
Jump function are assigned to steps 1–4 of the next measure."

Which is why I came to the conclusion you could get 16th by setting the beat (time signature) to 32 and halving the tempo. Hopefully someone can test that.

I'm also preferring the look of the sampler version, I think long term its going to more versatile. Also the ability to resample or bounce down tracks as it were should get around round a lot of the limitations mentioned, ie: freeing up polyphony and adding multiple effects by resampling etc...

I think Mistabishi's "Prime Mover" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=To13Gl1 ... TGZxYxDF-Q
is an amazing showcase of what the sampler can do, change overs and track progressions are flawless, albeit a tiny "clik"

I don't have the unit in front of me to test the 32 step resolution idea but in theory that should work. A couple of other work arounds:

- Another way to get 16th notes is through use of the delays.
- Another is you re-sample a pattern of 16th note hi hats into a loop at original tempo, then put it back to half tempo and trigger the loop at the start of bar 1 and 3.

They are not as versatile as simply programming in a step but the ways in which those methods force you to think about using the device can sometimes yield interesting results.

[adverb]

How the S2 deals with slices is really nice. Again, much better than the ESX. Using the trick from the ESX, if you make a kick drum sample that has 10-15 separate kicks in it back to back, then slice it up. Instead of having to select the sample, then go into sample edit mode, you simply scroll to the sample position, say 500, the the slices will be arranged as 500-1, 500-2, 500-3 , etc. No extra button pushes. All your slices right there. Awesome.

[DEEPMOSES]

How the S2 deals with slices is really nice. Again, much better than the ESX. Using the trick from the ESX, if you make a kick drum sample that has 10-15 separate kicks in it back to back, then slice it up. Instead of having to select the sample, then go into sample edit mode, you simply scroll to the sample position, say 500, the the slices will be arranged as 500-1, 500-2, 500-3 , etc. No extra button pushes. All your slices right there. Awesome.

That's is cool, I imagine that in addition to that you could load kicks hats and snares etc...and create a whole beat on just one track by automating the sample start point...that could be true of any sound in fact.