Electribe release schedule / roadmap?

DiscoDevil · Post by **DiscoDevil** » Fri Sep 04, 2015 2:00 pm

I'd be content with some basic copy/paste file and midi event functions, a "threshold" setting for starting recording and a few more sample editing functions.

Splatterhouse · Post by **Splatterhouse** » Fri Sep 04, 2015 2:10 pm

brambos wrote:
And you were not aware of these limitations at the time you bough the device? Did KORG promise you a minimum number of features that would be added after launch?

THAT is the issue here. These are not a matter of buggy or broken products. None of the things you mention are "fixes", but upgrades. This is about demanding that KORG provide upgrades over time, adding value to a product at no extra cost. Why would they do that?

Don't get me wrong, I like free stuff as much as the next guy. But asking KORG for an upgrade roadmap smells like you feel you purchased a subscription to new features in addition to the actual product you bought.

It's not about wanting free stuff. It's about:
- owning the E2
- discovering through use where it could be improved
- wondering whether they have perhaps released it a bit early
- hoping that they don't abandon it before making it the product it should / could be

Most products don't give me this feeling.

DiscoDevil · Post by **DiscoDevil** » Fri Sep 04, 2015 3:18 pm

brambos wrote: THAT is the issue here. These are not a matter of buggy or broken products. None of the things you mention are "fixes", but upgrades. This is about demanding that KORG provide upgrades over time, adding value to a product at no extra cost. Why would they do that?

They would do it because they've got a bunch of customers that feel like they've bought an incomplete product. Not because they're "entitled" but because some pretty basic functionality is missing from the product.

brambos · Post by **brambos** » Fri Sep 04, 2015 3:24 pm

DiscoDevil wrote:
brambos wrote: THAT is the issue here. These are not a matter of buggy or broken products. None of the things you mention are "fixes", but upgrades. This is about demanding that KORG provide upgrades over time, adding value to a product at no extra cost. Why would they do that?
They would do it because they've got a bunch of customers that feel like they've bought an incomplete product. Not because they're "entitled" but because some pretty basic functionality is missing from the product.

I still don't understand your reasoning. Was this not known at the time you bought the product? You knowingly bought a product you felt was incomplete and "missing basic functionality". That's not KORG's responsibility. For all we know these features were cut out to keep the price low.

Loudest · Post by **Loudest** » Fri Sep 04, 2015 3:28 pm

DiscoDevil wrote:They would do it because they've got a bunch of customers that feel like they've bought an incomplete product. Not because they're "entitled" but because some pretty basic functionality is missing from the product.

yes, and then the fact that there are features removed from the previous electribe it isn't even a 10 year flashback, it is clearly a regression!
I also hope they'll end the software part because for now it gives just the impression that it is in "beta version"(or alpha ..)

regarding the revolution that this machine could have created, yes, it's a pity
when I think of (for example) to the large screen completely underutilized ...

DiscoDevil · Post by **DiscoDevil** » Fri Sep 04, 2015 3:30 pm

brambos wrote:
DiscoDevil wrote:
brambos wrote: THAT is the issue here. These are not a matter of buggy or broken products. None of the things you mention are "fixes", but upgrades. This is about demanding that KORG provide upgrades over time, adding value to a product at no extra cost. Why would they do that?
They would do it because they've got a bunch of customers that feel like they've bought an incomplete product. Not because they're "entitled" but because some pretty basic functionality is missing from the product.
I still don't understand your reasoning. Was this not known at the time you bought the product? You knowingly bought a product you felt was incomplete and "missing basic functionality". That's not KORG's responsibility. For all we know these features were cut out to keep the price low.

No, I did not know the device came with NO file management capabilities beyond delete, could not copy note/midi event data within a sequence and even the manual shows a PICTURE of a wave suggesting that there was a visual wav editor built in. Also, the manual is literally 16 pages and does not document every single feature that WAS included so is it so outrageous to assume that perhaps there was functionality beyond what was in the manual? I get your point but you're being a dick about it. I don't want the thing to make me breakfast, just the very basic functions that have been available on similar devices for the last 30 years.

Loudest · Post by **Loudest** » Fri Sep 04, 2015 3:35 pm

brambos wrote:I still don't understand your reasoning. Was this not known at the time you bought the product? You knowingly bought a product you felt was incomplete and "missing basic functionality". That's not KORG's responsibility. For all we know these features were cut out to keep the price low.

yes, and I understand people who say that KORG wanted orient more these new electribe (2.0) for live and performance

OK.

but why have removed the functions already present? Nothing justifies it

I think (for example) being able to enter pitch in stepedit mode directly from the keyboard of the electribe or via an external keyboard.

Why remove a function that requires no development effort ??
it was already there!

Splatterhouse · Post by **Splatterhouse** » Fri Sep 04, 2015 3:38 pm

Loudest wrote: Why remove a function that requires no development effort ??
it was already there!

The firmware was perhaps completely new for this device as it would be on different hardware. When you do a clean start on a project it is always hard to get feature parity with the old.

Loudest · Post by **Loudest** » Fri Sep 04, 2015 4:14 pm

Splatterhouse wrote:When you do a clean start on a project it is always hard to get feature parity with the old.

clean start? for the electribe 2.0 development? I don't think so
at worst they know how to do it, since they already have done it once
so, the choice to remove a function (in any case like the one I gave in my example) is difficult to justify ..

DiscoDevil · Post by **DiscoDevil** » Fri Sep 04, 2015 4:17 pm

Loudest wrote:
Splatterhouse wrote:When you do a clean start on a project it is always hard to get feature parity with the old.
clean start? for the electribe 2.0 development? I don't think so
at worst they know how to do it, since they already have done it once
so, the choice to remove a function (in any case like the one I gave in my example) is difficult to justify ..

It's a completely different hardware platform. They didn't "remove" any features, they just failed to add necessary features to the OS when they were writing it.

Loudest · Post by **Loudest** » Fri Sep 04, 2015 4:27 pm

DiscoDevil wrote: They didn't "remove" any features, they just failed to add necessary features to the OS when they were writing it.

imagine, you have to manufacture a new machine (and you've already had success with another 10 years earlier)
you'll of course take all the ingredients that made the success of the first machine (perhaps removing the worst, or the most criticized) but inevitably still (and always) improve functionality
this is called evolution

Also, when you have a name, a brand (so a reputation) to defend (like KORG)
you do not propose an half-finished product, right?
especially with such an experience in the domain
(we could understand that from a start-up..but from KORG...)

DiscoDevil · Post by **DiscoDevil** » Fri Sep 04, 2015 4:56 pm

What I'm saying is they started over from scratch on new hardware so every single feature is being coded. I'm not defending them not adding all the features from the old boxes, just saying that it's not like they just put the old OS on the new box and decided to remove features.

Pygmy · Post by **Pygmy** » Tue Sep 08, 2015 9:57 am

DiscoDevil wrote:What I'm saying is they started over from scratch on new hardware so every single feature is being coded. I'm not defending them not adding all the features from the old boxes, just saying that it's not like they just put the old OS on the new box and decided to remove features.

Actually, copying midi data is *very* simple to code in firmware.
It's not a case of "they had to start from scratch and this functionality takes time to develop", they could have implemented the basics of manual sequencing (copy/pasting/moving/transposing pattern data) *and* gotten it past QA in literally 2 days before releasing the Electribe, using just a single programmer.
Seriously, there's nothing difficult about doing a memcpy/memmove.

Loudest · Post by **Loudest** » Tue Sep 08, 2015 10:48 am

Pygmy wrote:Actually, copying midi data is *very* simple to code in firmware.
It's not a case of "they had to start from scratch and this functionality takes time to develop", they could have implemented the basics of manual sequencing (copy/pasting/moving/transposing pattern data) *and* gotten it past QA in literally 2 days before releasing the Electribe, using just a single programmer.
Seriously, there's nothing difficult about doing a memcpy/memmove.

I think so, too....

jpeg · Post by **jpeg** » Tue Sep 08, 2015 11:37 am

I hope a jjos type wizz kid emerges with some features and os enhancements for this box.

as I feel skeptical that korg will add any features and very much doubt they will add the filter models but maybe they could add some filter slopes.