New Electribe 2 MIDI Questions

[musicmagus]

Another one for the list here...

Q: Does the Gate Arp send MIDI OUT broken up as individual notes? I've had some gear in past where holding a note with an arp on would only send a single sustained note through MIDI OUT, hopefully that won't be the case here.

The gate arp is not a really an arpeggiator. It just applies a rhythmic gate groove to whatever note/s you are holding down.
If the gate arp is lit up, you can use the touchpad to control the speed of the gate pattern and the length of the gated notes that you are playing on the 16 pads.
The gated note info does get passed on to the midi out.

[musicmagus]

Q: CCs..Can the motion sequencer transmit them?

Just tried this by recording a motion sequenced filter sweep on a part.
No CC's in the midi output stream though, unfortunately.

edit:

while turning the knob the CC's are output to midi, just not after motion recording.

[musicmagus]

MSix_Anthony,
So now another question, haha...

You mentioned that when you are playing back an a "Event File", it doesn't send MIDI OUT note information. But does it least send MIDI OUT tempo clock information on it's Global channel? And does the Sync Out jack send out an appropriate tempo as well while playing the file? If I can least tempo sync other gear up to the machine via MIDI clock or Sync jack to an Event Recorder playback file, that would be great. I think someone earlier here said the Event Recorder still sends clock data, but confirming this again would be good news.

Thanks again for the info update! I'll most likely be purchasing one now.

The Event Recorder sends out midi clock, just not a start command.
Strangely, you can change the external midi clock with the tap tempo, but the event playback is unaffected.

Not sure about the sync out.

[Mummel]

Q. When you set "Clock Mode" to "Ext.Sync", does the machine convert the incoming sync signal into a MIDI OUT clock signal?

Yes, It does.

Really? What update are you using? I cant get it to work at all..

Setup like this: tr-8 -> e2 -> Novation ks4. E2 is set to auto-clock and receives the clock from tr-8. However, it doesnt transmit it from the out to the ks4. This becomes apparent when I try to play an arp on thr ks4, because it doesnt work at all since the arp tempo-synced. It does work when the e2 is set to internal clock so I know the problem isnt with the midiout port. Checking in the global menu of the ks4 shows that it isnt receiving any clock when e2 is set to auto or ext clock..

Tr-8 is just sending clock and start/stop to the e2, but shouldnt be a problem. The e2 can sequence the ks4 as usual if I turn arp off (but other temposynced features wont work either.)

[djas]

does anybody sync with traktor sucessfully? i have been installed the updated usb-midi driver and all setting in traktor should be correct, midi sync, add generic midi... etc but when i change the clock to external, the track stop playing.... did i miss some steps or what?

[Poumtschak]

Really? What update are you using? I cant get it to work at all.

Last time I checked, the v1.18 e2 had no MIDI MERGE or soft-THRU function, which is a PITA for a box that can sequence external gear.

[musicmagus]

Q. When you set "Clock Mode" to "Ext.Sync", does the machine convert the incoming sync signal into a MIDI OUT clock signal?

Yes, It does.

Really? What update are you using? I cant get it to work at all..

Setup like this: tr-8 -> e2 -> Novation ks4. E2 is set to auto-clock and receives the clock from tr-8. However, it doesnt transmit it from the out to the ks4. This becomes apparent when I try to play an arp on thr ks4, because it doesnt work at all since the arp tempo-synced. It does work when the e2 is set to internal clock so I know the problem isnt with the midiout port. Checking in the global menu of the ks4 shows that it isnt receiving any clock when e2 is set to auto or ext clock..

Tr-8 is just sending clock and start/stop to the e2, but shouldnt be a problem. The e2 can sequence the ks4 as usual if I turn arp off (but other temposynced features wont work either.)

We were talking about externally syncing to the SYNC IN jack, not external midi sync.
I am on version 1.05 of the e2s.

[Mummel]

Yes, It does.

Really? What update are you using? I cant get it to work at all..

Setup like this: tr-8 -> e2 -> Novation ks4. E2 is set to auto-clock and receives the clock from tr-8. However, it doesnt transmit it from the out to the ks4. This becomes apparent when I try to play an arp on thr ks4, because it doesnt work at all since the arp tempo-synced. It does work when the e2 is set to internal clock so I know the problem isnt with the midiout port. Checking in the global menu of the ks4 shows that it isnt receiving any clock when e2 is set to auto or ext clock..

Tr-8 is just sending clock and start/stop to the e2, but shouldnt be a problem. The e2 can sequence the ks4 as usual if I turn arp off (but other temposynced features wont work either.)

We were talking about externally syncing to the SYNC IN jack, not external midi sync.
I am on version 1.05 of the e2s.

Oh, I see.

However, I did actually find a work-around in this particular case (with the TR-8) if anyone is interested!

The tricks is to go into under the hood-mode on the tr-8 and set it to ONLY RECEIVE clock via the midi in, HOWEVER if you also use the option where the MIDI-OUT of the TR-8 works as a soft MIDI-THRU, the notes from the E2 will go to the TR-8s midi-out (via soft-thru), but not to the Tr-8 itself

So now the it's setup like this:

Tr-8 (master) midi-out to midi-split -> E2 in, x0xb0x in, novation ks4.
E2 midi-out back into TR-8s midi-in.

Voila, the novation receives tempo from the TR-8 and notes from the E2, so I can sequence AND use the novations tempo-synced arp.

[wikter]

Anyone got an answer to this??

I assume that if I use a part for MIDI out only, I still have use a voice for that channel - and therefore reduce the voice count by 1 or more? Is that correct? Is there anyway to get around this and not reduce the voice count for each MIDI note played?

I have a tip for that issue. You could set the part oscillator to "audio in". Electribe continue transmiting midi notes, without using DSP resource, freeing poplyphony.

That's not right. That part keeps on with each dsp resource. The right way is disable mfx, insert and filtering, and set the envelope to 0. Also, it's very important to set the part to Poly2 mode, otherwise, we won't be able to use polyphonic.

About recording more than 4 notes, it's not possible at the moment. And as long as it's impossible to set a different midi channel for each part, there's no fix for that limitation.

[zobbo]

I have an EMX 2 - it is connected via a midi thru box (one midi in, five midi out) and various midi thru ports to a Novation Circuit, four volcas, a shruthi, a preenfm2 and a Waldorf MicroQ. I have removed the partridge and the pear tree from my setup for the moment.

I want to play notes via an external keyboard into the EMX2 and have them record and pass the notes to the appropriate synth at the same time so I can hear what I am playing. I've done similar with my Octatrack but obviously that's a more expensive beast.

I believe my issue is I can't record the notes I play and have them passed to the external synths at the same time. So pondering whether I could split the keyboard MIDI out into two - one to the thru and one to the EMX2 - then merge them back again just before the thru box. So in essence when I am recording I can still hear the external synths.

This sounds painfully complicated but it doesn't look like I can use the midi out port of the EMX2 to handle this manually based on what I've read on the net. Anybody else doing similar? Recommended setups? A nice box I can buy to solve all my issues? (don't say another Octatrack )

Thanks for any help

Ian

[immon]

I wish it just had midi through that would solve this. In your instance though zobbo I'd use a switchable midi through box

https://www.gearslutz.com/board/electro ... chbay.html

[thesigma]

Double post, sorry.

[thesigma]

I have an EMX 2 - it is connected via a midi thru box (one midi in, five midi out) and various midi thru ports to a Novation Circuit, four volcas, a shruthi, a preenfm2 and a Waldorf MicroQ. I have removed the partridge and the pear tree from my setup for the moment.

I want to play notes via an external keyboard into the EMX2 and have them record and pass the notes to the appropriate synth at the same time so I can hear what I am playing. I've done similar with my Octatrack but obviously that's a more expensive beast.

I believe my issue is I can't record the notes I play and have them passed to the external synths at the same time. So pondering whether I could split the keyboard MIDI out into two - one to the thru and one to the EMX2 - then merge them back again just before the thru box. So in essence when I am recording I can still hear the external synths.

This sounds painfully complicated but it doesn't look like I can use the midi out port of the EMX2 to handle this manually based on what I've read on the net. Anybody else doing similar? Recommended setups? A nice box I can buy to solve all my issues? (don't say another Octatrack )

Thanks for any help

Ian

You can do what you describe, but you'll need another thru box to split the keyboard and then a merger. Better groove boxes will have a menu setting that enables pass through of the MiDI data, some even re channelized to the track you have selected. Emu command station and yamaha rm1x/rs7000 both do this.

I have recently replaced my MOTU MTP AV USB interface with an Alyseum AL88c, which is an 8x8 router interface with copperlan Network Connectivity. It connects to computers over Ethernet and installs a number of virtual midi ports, but more importantly has 8 physical ins and outs. You can route clock, and any data Chanel's on any input to any output, split anything to anything and also merge anything to anything. Also you can expand over Ethernet to however many physical ports you need, they currently sell 2x2 boxes and 8x8 boxes, and some midi to cv stuff in euro rack format. http://www.alyseum.com/al-88c.html

Currently you must do the patching/routing/merging on the copperlan control software, but you can save your configure into the devices and they work with the computer off. I like mine enough that I'm buying two more, after NAMM, unless they release some new ones that look better. The AL88c was only $199, I think it was well worth the money

Anyway it would be trivial to clock everything from the electribe, send keyboard data to the electribe, and by channel send the data to each of your other devices you'd have to change channel on the keyboard, do you currently have to do that anyway(always had to on the older electribes).

[zobbo]

Many thanks immune and thesigma for the replies.

I'll have a mull about buying a dedicated MIDI box. Trying to make a small portable OTB system so the smaller amounts of hardware the better. Thinking I should maybe live with the electribe as the main controller for a while and see how it fits before splashing the cash.

I have owned an RM1X and RS7000 in the past but the issue has always been size - they (especially the RS7000) are cumbersome beasts!

Many thanks again, will do some experimentation.

[thesigma]

Many thanks immune and thesigma for the replies.

I'll have a mull about buying a dedicated MIDI box. Trying to make a small portable OTB system so the smaller amounts of hardware the better. Thinking I should maybe live with the electribe as the main controller for a while and see how it fits before splashing the cash.

I have owned an RM1X and RS7000 in the past but the issue has always been size - they (especially the RS7000) are cumbersome beasts!

Many thanks again, will do some experimentation.

Yes the RS is Indeed of beastly proportion.....

The alyseum box is quite small, and once programmed can work standalone and without the network. If you only need 2x2 that box is something like $129, which I think just makes the 8x8 a better value for the money.

I'm currently designing a road case for my EA-1, ES-1, ER-1, EMX-1, ESX-1, and KP3. I'm going to stick an AL88c in there, a power supply distributor,and wire all the audio to a multi pin. Then I just need a power cord, an Ethernet cable, and a multipin audio snake and it's all cabled up ready to go. I'll make a thread about it once it's ready to go. Not going to be hop on the bus portable, but should be smaller than 88 key keyboard portable....