Help - Using (long!) backing tracks with the Kronos

Liquid_Metal · Post by **Liquid_Metal** » Thu Dec 24, 2015 1:38 pm

Hey guys,

I've been using the Kronos for almost 2 years so I now my way around to some extent, but I'm still learning.
I sometimes need backing tracks or samples to accompany my playing live, and right now I created multisamples, which I load in a patch. I use the patch as part of a Combi, in which the lowest key (A0, I have a K88) is mapped to the multisample.
This works, but I have two questions.

1. Is this the easiest way to do it, or are there other, quicker ways?

2. I put the multisamples in a custom .KSC file, but even though I put this in autoload there are some problems. In addition, loading this file tends to remove some stock sounds from the RAM, which I obviously do not want. How to fix this?

Thanks a lot in advance!

geoelectro · Post by **geoelectro** » Thu Dec 24, 2015 2:08 pm

I use backing tracks all the time. I put the .wav's on the SSD. Load into the sampler. Create a Prog from the sample. Save sampling data. That will save two versions of the samples. Put the UserBank version of the sample in the auto-load. (the UserBank version uses streaming as opposed to loading the entire sample)

Sample_UserBank.KSC

You may be loading,

Sample.KSC

I load many samples this way without any removing of stock samples etc.

Good luck!

Geo

Liquid_Metal · Post by **Liquid_Metal** » Thu Dec 24, 2015 3:45 pm

Thanks I got it to work. Using the UserBank.ksc did the trick.

I have another question: how can I add samples to an existing KSC? I'm missing this step in the manual. I can go to Disk mode, select Save Sampling Data and go for "One Multisample", selecting the one I just created. I can then put it in the folder of my other samples, but the .KSC does not load new samples.

SanderXpander · Post by **SanderXpander** » Thu Dec 24, 2015 4:53 pm

First load the KSC you want to add stuff. Choose "clear all". This clears the memory of anything except the file you want to work on. Then load the samples you want to add, using "append" (adding them to the samples in memory). Do everything you need to in sample and program mode. Now save sampling data and overwrite the file you had before. Do NOT choose "force new ID" as this will break the links for your older programs/samples.

SeedyLee · Post by **SeedyLee** » Sat Dec 26, 2015 3:16 pm

Maybe I don't understand what you're trying to achieve here, but is using the sequencer an option?

AudioProCT · Post by **AudioProCT** » Sat Dec 26, 2015 8:08 pm

I have that same question, but in my situation, I have maybe 4 - 5 backing tracks that are in a medley which requires me to trigger them at certain points during the songs, I also have to have patch changes too, I'm currently using a Tyros 5 which has their registration system and Audio-link to stream backing tracks, the only thing I have come up with, would be setting this up as a combi, and assigning the backing tracks as samples are lower notes, but to me it seems much more fluid ( so far ) on the Tyros 5

I'm sure the Kronos is more than capable of doing the same thing, with even more options, but I think I am overwhelming myself by trying to learn and then do stuff on the Kronos that's not in the manual

kronoSphere · Post by **kronoSphere** » Sat Dec 26, 2015 11:33 pm

16 midi tracks + 16 audio tracks with automation: all is possible

Happy Xmas to all !

Liquid_Metal · Post by **Liquid_Metal** » Sun Dec 27, 2015 10:07 am

SeedyLee wrote:Maybe I don't understand what you're trying to achieve here, but is using the sequencer an option?

In many cases I want to be able to play over the backing track. Can that also be done with the sequencer?
If I assign the Program with multisample to a Combination, mapped to the lowest key, together with the instrument I want to play, it works like I want it to.

coyote144 · Post by **coyote144** » Sun Dec 27, 2015 5:06 pm

Making backing track play with sampling works, but it's a little tricky, and it will eat a bit of polyphony. I recommand it only if you want to trigger sample at any moment, during live gigs.

If your baking tracks play always at the same timecode, please use sequencer audio instead.

Please find my video (in french, sorry) that explains how to do it:
<iframe width="420" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/6cWcoAb2zaA" frameborder="0"></iframe>

Qui Robinez also made a tutorial about the same subject:
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/edzVvnGccgc" frameborder="0"></iframe>

Note that there are 16 audio tracks in the Kronos sequencer. If your tracks are stereo, only 8 audio tracks are possible (Kronos manages stéréo audio tracks without any problem).

vEddY · Post by **vEddY** » Tue Dec 29, 2015 9:00 pm

After taking a very long and hard look at all of the niggles that annoyed the hell out of me when doing this with my Kronos, I gotta say I gave this up. First, it's just way too much work to create an arrangement that would work within this context. Secondly, if you end up in a situation in which you're gonna play a song that has backing tracks and - let's say - during band rehersal - someone suggests that you play song parts in a different order, you'll end up with an hour of work to make that happen. Also, last but not least - I like to "split my eggs to multiple baskets".

That's why I started using Auria on my iPad. I have some 10 songs in it so far, and some of them are really complex. For example, I have a custom MJ-Thriller arrangement that has 10 backing tracks. But I've set this up in a specific way and that's the power of using Auria - I have a separate click for my drummer, a separate click for myself, a separate 10-tracks arrangement for FOH and a separate 10-or-less tracks arrangement for my personal IEM mix. Without downmixing, there's no way I can do this with KRONOS. And I don't have enough individual outputs on it to do that, as well

I think that this is a much better way to go.

In the future, if my band ends up "hating the linearity of it all" (translation - hates doing these songs in the same order every time), I'll switch to Ableton Live, prepare everything in a completely same manner, but with hotkeys so that I can trigger song parts on request.

I really feel that KORG should make a leap forward in their SAMPLING mode in their workstations. It's been basically the same since the TRITON days.

SeedyLee · Post by **SeedyLee** » Wed Dec 30, 2015 7:15 am

Liquid_Metal wrote:
SeedyLee wrote:Maybe I don't understand what you're trying to achieve here, but is using the sequencer an option?
In many cases I want to be able to play over the backing track. Can that also be done with the sequencer?
If I assign the Program with multisample to a Combination, mapped to the lowest key, together with the instrument I want to play, it works like I want it to.

Yes, it certainly can. In its most basic form, a sequence is just a glorified Combination, so anything you can do with a combi or program can be done with a sequence.

In this case, the only sequencer information would be the start of the backing track, everything else can be played live.

In my opinion, using samples is not a great way to do it.

SeedyLee · Post by **SeedyLee** » Wed Dec 30, 2015 7:18 am

vEddY wrote: I really feel that KORG should make a leap forward in their SAMPLING mode in their workstations. It's been basically the same since the TRITON days.

Why would you use the sampling functionality to achieve this when there's a perfectly capable 16 Track Hard Disk recorder with automation built in? The sampling functions may not have changed greatly since the Triton days, but the sequencer certainly has!

vEddY · Post by **vEddY** » Wed Dec 30, 2015 8:58 am

SeedyLee wrote:
vEddY wrote: I really feel that KORG should make a leap forward in their SAMPLING mode in their workstations. It's been basically the same since the TRITON days.
Why would you use the sampling functionality to achieve this when there's a perfectly capable 16 Track Hard Disk recorder with automation built in? The sampling functions may not have changed greatly since the Triton days, but the sequencer certainly has!

A) because that's what was discussed and I replied to the flow of the thread. And afterwards I introduced a solution that I came with that covers both everyone else's usage model and mine

B) because even with the HDR I can't do it (I need more tracks)
C) because even with HDR, it takes an AWFUL lot of effort and time to do things that I mentioned. Imagine having to change the song parts as I mentioned. In apps like Auria it's really easy.

BTW I specifically skipped the SEQ on purpose not wanting to start another SEQ war.

SeedyLee · Post by **SeedyLee** » Thu Dec 31, 2015 3:50 am

Haha, fair enough: not starting a war is a pretty good motivation. I just wonder if sometimes the sequencer gets overlooked in these cases.

vEddY · Post by **vEddY** » Thu Dec 31, 2015 7:24 am

SeedyLee wrote:Haha, fair enough: not starting a war is a pretty good motivation. I just wonder if sometimes the sequencer gets overlooked in these cases.

yep

It's quite possible, but really, it's not all that handy for these use cases. I've been working with that thing since 1995 (since Trinity days) and I still can't believe how user-unfriendly it can be

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