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BasariStudios wrote:Thank You God...for no more Toys and Volcas.
Oh no. There should be more volcas. I will definitely buy them, and compose with them, and perform live with them, the way I've been doing with my current volcas (among other gear).

I definitely want the volca wave for wavetable, I want the volca spectrum for spectral synthesis, I want the volca semi for a semimodular box, (I'd buy four), I want a volca effects unit...

KORG could make a lot of money with these, and I could make a lot of music with them. Every volca is just an outboard synthesis box for my workstations, using MIDI. Mmm-mm! Two great tastes that go great together.
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BasariStudios wrote:Thank You God...for no more Toys and Volcas.
Doesn't mean just because Tats is gone Korg won't keep at it.
Joe Gerardi wrote:Except it has a shitty little keyboard that is pure crap for feel, a bender in a horrible location, and no memory- all things that should have been corrected before the time of release.
What do you mean no memory? Minilogue does have patch memory.
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I think the haters are just taking a break from their late night tweets about fake news :lol:
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moho wrote:I think the haters are just taking a break from their late night tweets about fake news :lol:
:lol: Yeah I don't get the hate....I love my Minilogue and if Korg wants to make a profit selling volcas more power to them....not really my thing but some folks like them. There's a market for them everyone is entitled to their opinion, no reason to get nasty....there's enough of that out in the world today. Kudos to Korg for the Minilogue, ARP, and MS20! Keep up the good work!(I don't mind the slim keys, and I have some of Korg's finest keybeds in the synth stable, which IMO are the best ever) Would I like the keybed of the 01/W-Triton on the minilogue instead of the slim keys? Absolutely, but the slim keys(not mini-keys) are fine and the synth is super portable. I got the Korg case for it, it's easy to travel with and I have a fully fledged Analog polysynth with tons of features that the classics didn't even have and it sounds great. BTW 200 patch locations to save sounds on, don't know where the "no patch memory" thing comes from. Sure I'd like more but there's plenty enough for anapoly...if I want more there's always the librarian.

Hope there's still further development for the Minilogue despite Tats leaving.
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John01W wrote:
moho wrote:I think the haters are just taking a break from their late night tweets about fake news :lol:
:lol: Yeah I don't get the hate.
Perhaps they all bought Timbrewolfs. :oops:
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moho wrote:
John01W wrote:
moho wrote:I think the haters are just taking a break from their late night tweets about fake news :lol:
:lol: Yeah I don't get the hate.
Perhaps they all bought Timbrewolfs. :oops:
LOL!
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I get that some might not like this or that synth, but what gets me is
when someone who works for KORG sends a friendly goodbye, there are some who would burglerize his post and use it as a soapbox to say the KORG guys stuff sucks.
Very rude and crude.
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spaceman3 wrote:I get that some might not like this or that synth, but what gets me is
when someone who works for KORG sends a friendly goodbye, there are some who would burglerize his post and use it as a soapbox to say the KORG guys stuff sucks.
Very rude and crude.
=D> Agree, like I said it's sad to see him go. Tats is a brilliant designer and I hope like his post said he will still have some involvement with Korg.
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I'm with spaceman3, cheap shots taken in a thread like this are just in very poor taste. I think Korg and Tats did a great job bringing analog to the masses, like it or not. More then just one person makes the decision on products to be developed this all seems like shooting the messenger for the message you don't like. Tat's good luck on your future projects!
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Hear hear, not the time or place to air your grievances at some of the design decisions Korg/Tats made. Thank you Tats for reestablishing Korg as a front runner in the analog revival. Good luck with your next venture!
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GregC wrote:
Kevin Nolan wrote:The list or released products before Tats (in the digital age):

M1, T3, WavestationO1W, Trinity, Triton, KAOSS, MOSS (Z1 / Prophecy ...), Karma, OASYS, Radias...

The list of instruments under Tats:

monotrons, monotribe, volcas, minilogue, monologue, some reissues, SQ-1, littleBits synth kit and endless minikeys


Agreed - great for kids - but - an abomination for musicians.

10 wasted years for Korg innovation.

Korg - are you listening - Korg R&D USA back in the driving seat please - there's a world of musicians out here you've abandoned. Now's you're opportunity.
Korg, PLEASE help us old timers.

Yeah, you have given your brain trust to GenX, Millenials, GenZ

Us baby boomers miss Korg. We forgive you for being enchanted with youth.

Remember your roots, Korg. we will say nice things about you on the Internets. We promise.
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Speak for youself Greg - I'm no old timer (cough!) :-)

Earnestly - I'm flagging the need for quality for the new generation as much as for all generations - all musicians of all ages deserve amazing quality.

I genuinely believe Korg's golden era was from the M1 to the OASYS; and while there's plenty of good and innovative stuff from Korg today, none of it is, in my opinion, near the quality of their past efforts. That goes for their analogue gear too - from the PS and MS series to the MonoPoly and Trident - what character! The '...logue' synths are good (but for the minikeys) but c'mon - go look at a picture of a Trident Mk2 or a PS3200 and tell me Korg can't do better ??


Seriously - Korg have not revolutionised anything in the past 10 years - all their gadgets are sitting on shelves. Go onto Youtube and seek out Volca videos - yes there's thousands of them - but they all sound the same.

This is a huge opportunity for Korg to re-take the baton of serious innovation - for all age groups. I'm guessing a little here - but I feel Korg R&D USA have been a litttle quiet in the past 10 years - and they are badly needed back at the helm in my opinion.

I profoundly agree that Tats was an excellent designer - in my opinion he has an horrendously poor understanding of music and performance. It's all quirky junk from him; and these ridiculous claims of brilliance are, frankly an insult to the serious and visionary designers we all know of in the music technological age.
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Surely all this is a great opportunity for the real visionaries, guys like Kevin Nolan and BasariStudios, to put their heads together and wow us all with their revolutionary view of musical equipment?

You could even do it open source style, like the guys behind Meeblip.

What are you waiting for? Obviously you've pretty much given up on innovation from KORG.

For myself, I'll just keep being too stupid and ignorant to miss the opportunities that their equipment - yes, much of it designed by Tats - affords me.
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Koekepan wrote:Surely all this is a great opportunity for the real visionaries, guys like Kevin Nolan and BasariStudios, to put their heads together and wow us all with their revolutionary view of musical equipment?

You could even do it open source style, like the guys behind Meeblip.

What are you waiting for? Obviously you've pretty much given up on innovation from KORG.

For myself, I'll just keep being too stupid and ignorant to miss the opportunities that their equipment - yes, much of it designed by Tats - affords me.

Actually - I do have a sizeable number if ideas, quite developed. They are earnest and significant in vision and scope. But I'm not in the business so there's no leverage on them.

Irrespective, this is a synthesiser forum, and any view is legitimate - here. It's a forum! Furthermore, you don't have to be a designer to recognise bad designs. Tell me - was the Chernobyl Nuclear Reactor designed well?

The criticisms I'm levelling at Tats are quite real, and important - IF he was the driving force for Korg "innovation" in the past 10 years. His 'vision' was for primarily one aspiration - to make small synthy things that have no bearing on actual performance.

The suggestion that superlative musical instruments is the domain of old fogeys is frankly a gross insult to all up and coming new musicians. There has never been so much talent emerging. Why should they have to tolerate the junk the Korg put out now as distinct to the quality of an OASYS, Jupiter 8, Minimoog or Fender Rhodes piano?

Perhaps it's your view they seem like old-mode and non relevant. Is the Grand Piano non-relevant.

And - I assure you - there are plenty of people with significant vision beyond what Korg have churned out under his stewardship.

Finally - let me ask you - do you think there is nothing left of quality to develop? Do YOU think all innovation is finished. The primary reason why I and many like me use synthesizers in our music is because we are futurists - we are ALWAYS looking to the future. My views on synthesizers now and intot he near-term future are frankly irrelevant - THE question is how great companies like Korg view the next 10, 100 and indeed 1000 years.

Even attempt to get your mind 1% of the way to trying to envisage what technology can deliver to music in a 1000 years and you'll be sitting squarely in the domain of my interest and many others across the planet interested in a real, earnest innovative future.

The toys Tats has put out have been nothing more than a revisit to the Electribe and Yamaha QY boxes of the 90's.


So I'll finish by challenging you - name one item released by Korg under his tenure that's "new" as an idea - just one?
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Kevin Nolan wrote:[e.

Actually - I do have a sizeable number if ideas, quite developed. They are earnest and significant in vision and scope. But I'm not in the business so there's no leverage on them.

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I believe you do. I think you have expressed some of them here.

Unfortunately, theres an economic undercurrent to everything. Without
funding and support, the 'developed' product or concept ideas go nowhere.

With that , Tat had Korg support. That is no small and casual accomplishment, to gain the confidence of a co like Korg with its population of talent and resources.

And he earned that support by producing tangible results, new sales, profit, etc.

Korg is not some idealistic company. They are a sales and profit oriented consumer electronics manufacturer appealing to a community from amateur to pro.

I have little interest in the Korg products that Tat authored. But its obvious to me that he was successful at Korg.
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Sure - McDonalds makes loads of money with BigMacs

That's what we're talking here.

But that's Casio.

I'm sure the founder of Korg had vision for the future. I'm just saying there was less vision in the past ten years than previously. I understand the economic pressures here - it's a tough business for sure. But why couldn't we have both that type of small-form release, and more innovative releases too?

It's just my opinion - but I believe that if you think big then you challenge yourself more. The M1 was a monumental undertaking by Korg. So were MOSS and OASYS. For Yamaha it was the GX1, FM, VL... - for Roli it's the Seaboard; Ableton the Push Controller, ...

Korg were part of that conversation up until 10 years ago, now they're not. Sure, lots of intriguing devices - and sure more dissemination of such devices at a more affordable cost - but to me - they have lost their way concerning the future of music technology. Volca is NOT KAOSS, MPC, Maschine, Push, ... It's in the realm of Boutique, Reface... - spectators to what is really happening now. I hope for something more substantial into the future. That's all.
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