Behringer Neutron! Uli surprises at NAMM'18 - HUGE? Is it?

hinav · Post by **hinav** » Sat Jan 27, 2018 12:16 am

slug · Post by **slug** » Sat Jan 27, 2018 12:57 am

Well it certainly looks like s**t, what a mess.

megamarkd · Post by **megamarkd** » Sat Jan 27, 2018 3:50 am

slug wrote:Well it certainly looks like s**t, what a mess.

Looks like a small euro company synth from the 90's. Original layout, which is amusing to think about considering all the mimicry they have been up to over their entire existence. It sound rather familiar though.

Here's a better pic:

Here's the page I got it from: https://www.gearnews.com/namm-2018-behr ... nthesizer/

thehighesttree · Post by **thehighesttree** » Sun Jan 28, 2018 5:29 am

Have you seen what else that photo+video don't show you? It features something pretty cool to the right of the panel!

megamarkd · Post by **megamarkd** » Sun Jan 28, 2018 6:13 am

thehighesttree wrote:Have you seen what else that photo+video don't show you? It features something pretty cool to the right of the panel!

Yeah, PATCHBAY!!!!! Looking like it might be a great original coming from the company everyone loves to hate.

demonp · Post by **demonp** » Sun Jan 28, 2018 7:21 am

Is that one like all the other "clones" shown, we will never see????

megamarkd · Post by **megamarkd** » Sun Jan 28, 2018 7:35 am

demonp wrote:Is that one like all the other "clones" shown, we will never see????

No, it's not. It's an original design so far. I know, amazing right?

Post by **Sharp** » Sun Jan 28, 2018 12:41 pm

The colour doesn't bother me. I always loose interest the second I hear of another Analog keyboard being released. Old school tech is of no interest to me and neither is the reasoning behind their hype.

I don't care how “Analog” it sounds. I don't have a Record Player on my phone or in my car and they are pretty much the only two places I listen to other peoples music.

Just my 2 cents.

Sharp.

demonp · Post by **demonp** » Sun Jan 28, 2018 1:15 pm

megamarkd wrote:
demonp wrote:Is that one like all the other "clones" shown, we will never see????
No, it's not. It's an original design so far. I know, amazing right?

Sounds like Moog anyway.

megamarkd · Post by **megamarkd** » Mon Jan 29, 2018 3:24 am

demonp wrote:
megamarkd wrote:
demonp wrote:Is that one like all the other "clones" shown, we will never see????
No, it's not. It's an original design so far. I know, amazing right?
Sounds like Moog anyway.

Turns out it's a Curtis osc clone, so yeah it sounds like a Moog or any other synth that uses Curtis osc's. Ah but then if someone else was to clone a synth or a particularly famous chip, nobody would say a word against them, more likely the other way. Maybe all this work Behringer is doing will take the wind out of this analogue revival. I'd like to think that Korg's 'logues are helping show it's not an area that is for purists with a ton of spare money too.

Sharp wrote: The colour doesn't bother me. I always loose interest the second I hear of another Analog keyboard being released. Old school tech is of no interest to me and neither is the reasoning behind their hype.

I agree to an extent. It'll probably become old hat again soon as everyone has an analogue monosynth in their studio and realise just how boring the analogue waveforms are, even when bent out of shape. "Supersaw" or whatever a company is calling their interlaced ramps help make the palette a little brighter, but unison hard sync'd osc's pretty much do the same thing. Analogue filters do have that something that digital seems to not quite make the mark on, but that said the filters on my Waldorf digitals come extremely close to the sound of my Waldorf analogues. On a slight side note, funny how they were praised for sounding like a MiniMoog when they brought out the Pulse 20+ years ago, not berated and called thieves.

Vadim · Post by **Vadim** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 2:26 am

Now if Uli would build 01/W and Trinity with Solo (prophecy) expansion

John01W · Post by **John01W** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 5:26 am

Vadim wrote:Now if Uli would build 01/W and Trinity with Solo (prophecy) expansion

Sacrilege! Korg would be jumpin' down on his arse, and rightfully so! It's easier to copy analogs than digital synths which are sample based.....try and copy that sample rom, you're lookin' at a lawsuit(not to mention the 01/W's waveshapers are a custom chip, not software...and those unique effects algorithms and patches, all that stuff is locked tight!).....someone recently tried a stunt like that in software for the Roland D-50...he got a cease and desist from Roland and Persing so fast I'm sure his head was spinning!

I give Kudos to behringer on making a NEW synth in the neutron. I don't care much for it's sound, but still. Thank you KORG for continuing to give us NEW products!

BTW, if you look at Korg's new analogs....there's TONS of new tech in there, each voice has it's own processor for control...there's TONS of new tech in modern analog synths....and what's great about it, is that the good ones keep the signal path analog. Korg just release a 16 voice discrete vco synth(with a third digital osc, that looks very cool) for 2 grand, that's a hell of a deal....anything that comes close to that voice count/price is DCO w/filter on a chip type stuff....

Kevin Nolan · Post by **Kevin Nolan** » Sat Feb 03, 2018 12:50 am

My two-penny's worth: I'm a huge critic of Behringer's synth cloning approach, and even more fervent critic of the way they challenged Moog's business model publicly online while also using their design for the 'D'.

However - I do thing that the DM12 and 6 are quite good and innovative - and even if loosely based on the Juno106 are sufficiently different, with quite a number of original innovations, to warrant attention.

So this synth is, to me, also a side to Behringer i want to see more of - coming up with their own designs and putting them out there - and to me this sounds very good and looks feature packed.

So however good the synth is (or isn't) - it's surely good to see Behringer do their own thing, learn their own strengths and weaknesses and get better as time goes by, as distinct to this misplaced cloning they are engaged in too.

John01W · Post by **John01W** » Sat Feb 03, 2018 2:19 am

Kevin Nolan wrote:My two-penny's worth: I'm a huge critic of Behringer's synth cloning approach, and even more fervent critic of the way they challenged Moog's business model publicly online while also using their design for the 'D'.

However - I do thing that the DM12 and 6 are quite good and innovative - and even if loosely based on the Juno106 are sufficiently different, with quite a number of original innovations, to warrant attention.

So this synth is, to me, also a side to Behringer i want to see more of - coming up with their own designs and putting them out there - and to me this sounds very good and looks feature packed.

So however good the synth is (or isn't) - it's surely good to see Behringer do their own thing, learn their own strengths and weaknesses and get better as time goes by, as distinct to this misplaced cloning they are engaged in too.

Agree 100%!...and in the end no one is out there is saying it replaces the Juno(it doesn't)...but they still pimp off it's legacy to sell a product. Uli is scared to take a risk it seems on his own product like the big guys are(probably because he's keenly aware of the reputation some of his products have, and he's trying to escape that).

megamarkd · Post by **megamarkd** » Sat Feb 03, 2018 3:34 am

Kevin Nolan wrote:My two-penny's worth: I'm a huge critic of Behringer's synth cloning approach, and even more fervent critic of the way they challenged Moog's business model publicly online while also using their design for the 'D'.

However - I do thing that the DM12 and 6 are quite good and innovative - and even if loosely based on the Juno106 are sufficiently different, with quite a number of original innovations, to warrant attention.

So this synth is, to me, also a side to Behringer i want to see more of - coming up with their own designs and putting them out there - and to me this sounds very good and looks feature packed.

So however good the synth is (or isn't) - it's surely good to see Behringer do their own thing, learn their own strengths and weaknesses and get better as time goes by, as distinct to this misplaced cloning they are engaged in too.

Totally agree. It's been mentioned elsewhere that the cloning of the Curtis Osc chip is a good thing, bring prices of a particular standard down and into the hands of more musicians (and programmers).

There is a lot of hatred for Behringer due to their using other's ideas and designs (and sometimes straight up stealing designs, see their eurorack mixers from the turn of the century...), but with these two (almost) originals, I'm hoping for nice line of synths out of them in the future. They have the teams behind them to do digital R&D and are already doing their own DSP work (well sorta their own as the teams are sorta "stolen" too). They have their digital mixers and and rack fx units, so maybe they will deliver a digital synth of some description soon?