Gate sidechain process?

[Rick Nhodes]

Hi
I am trying to figure out how to sidechain the gate effect where the audio from say, a drum track, gates a pad that I'm playing on another track. This would be the inverse of compression sidechaining, where the synth output mirrors the beat rather than being "tufted" by it.

I understand how to use the common sequencer to get trance gate patterns which is not really what I'm after. Rather, I'm trying to emulate the old Drawmer-style gate effect used in a lot of 80's production. Think Information Society's "What's On Your Mind":

https://youtu.be/ijAYN9zVnwg 00:37

I'm sure it's a simple process, but I'm not yet familiar enough with the effects routing/bussing in Kronos to pull this off. Any guidance would be most appreciated.

Cheers.

[voip]

Using a compression or limiter effect might produce the desired result. The song audio in the youtube video doesn't sound much like sidechain.

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[Rick Nhodes]

Using a compression or limiter effect might produce the desired result. The song audio in the youtube video doesn't sound much like sidechain.

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Right except that the definition of “sidechain” in my question refers to any pair of channels involving an effect. The term has become synonymous with EDM downbeat compression sidechaining but that’s not what I’m after.

Info Society used a passthrough gate module with a drum machine providing the gate signal. In Ableton Live you can sidechain the gate effect similarly between a drum and synth track as in this tutorial:

https://youtu.be/_ux7qb5e98k

Just wondering if Kronos can do the same in Combi or SEQ mode where a drum audio track signal is routed to gate effect and modulates a synth pad.

[Dan Stesco]

To get the sidechain effects:
Will need to have a combi with any program and Drum track
Rout your program to IFX 1 Stereo Compressor or Limiter.
Open IFX Routing 2, will find the FX Control Bus.
Select Control 1 on Drum Program.
Open the Compressor settings > Envelope source : Fx Control1
START the Drums and play the Keys. Will have the Compressor pulsation controlled by Drums pattern.
If don't want to hear the drums but keep the pulsation, rout your drum programs to off. (IFX Routing1)

Also can try to use the Gate in same condition to obtain a gate effect controlled by drums. Rout the program to Stereo Gate, Source Control1. Start the Drum Track and play.

[QuiRobinez]

i've created a tutorial for it 7 years ago, here it is:

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and more or less using the same technique to route audio signals through synthengines:
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[voip]

In the video, there appears to be a synth drum sound with a very sharp attack that doesn't seem to be accentuating any of the other sounds that are audible between beats, and could at least be replicated pretty well by using a sample of the drum sound. Is there specific reference to the technique used by Information Society on that track?
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[Dan Stesco]

In the video, there appears to be a synth drum sound with a very sharp attack that doesn't seem to be accentuating any of the other sounds that are audible between beats, and could at least be replicated pretty well by using a sample of the drum sound. Is there specific reference to the technique used by Information Society on that track?
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At video 1 from 1:35 the sidechain effect is on, Drum track on, then will hear the synth pulsation off when Drum Track off at 1:47.

[voip]

Dan, I know you have a better ear for this than I do. It is just me. In the OP's video link, all I hear is the bass synth being played more energetically, such that its attack adds a percussive element to the sound but, as you say, it's probably the gating effect.

There is a review of how the original mix was laid down, and where gating was added late in the process.

https://sonicscoop.com/2013/02/03/class ... n-society/

https://sonicscoop.com/2013/02/03/class ... society/2/
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[Rick Nhodes]

Dan, Qui,
Thank you so much. Exactly what I was looking for. Qui I have watched many of your tutorials. Thanks for sharing your wealth of knowledge! I really appreciate you writing out the steps.

Voip I’m onto those video links next. One of my bands does a lot of Duran Duran covers and Nick Rhodes used this technique (and arps) almost exclusively in lieu of sequencers. The Info Society song was a better example for this since you can hear the pad following the drums.

Cheers guys.